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May 21, 2013 at 2:59 am #207647
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GuestI’m realizing that maybe I don’t believe in most of what the church teaches. It’s crazy to me because I was so so strong before. I feel like I believed in it without knowing the full story. The Temple is a terrible place to me, and has only gotten worse. When I Roy think about what I believe it’s mostly just the basic Christian doctrines. That and eternal families and eternal progression. But I don’t believe in much more than that. I did visiting teaching today and I taught the lesson. Since it was the GC ensign I got to pick and I chose the four titles talk. I read the paragraph about everyone being different and the girls thought it was wonderful-but then proceeded to talk about things that I don’t believe. I just realized that what they were talking about was basic and that I didn’t believe it at all. I don’t feel sad, just surprised. I haven’t been going to church much lately, maybe about once a month. We travel a lot though so no one really knows. I’ve always hated visiting and home teaching because it feels cheesy and forced to me, so I don’t do much of that. My calling only requires me to be there four times a year on a Friday. I have not made any new friends in my new ward because we have pretty much been inactive since we got there. And I don’t want to make friends, because I don’t feel like I can be authentic. I built my faith on my pre-temple singles ward church and it’s like I’m in this new world now. It isn’t what I like but most importantly it is not what I believe. I don’t know where I go from here.
May 21, 2013 at 4:46 am #269307Anonymous
GuestFaith is way overrated. Religious people talk like it is so important to have faith in the church or god or whatever. I say it is all hype. Faith accomplishes little. So if you have lost your faith you have lost little. Imagine if tomorrow everyone lost their faith and no one believed anymore. No one prayed. No one went to church. What would change? Would god cause more earthquakes? Would more children die of starvation? Would there be more wars? No life would go on. The only difference would be maybe that we channel our efforts to more productive things. So I would not lament the loss of faith. It is never was that valuable.
May 21, 2013 at 4:48 am #269308Anonymous
GuestThe not being authentic is the worst part. So what is next? That’s the big question. Try to build on old knowledge, start from scratch or give up and do nothing? None of the options seem very appealing to me. May 21, 2013 at 5:17 am #269309Anonymous
GuestHSAB, you are not alone. This very day, I have determined for myself that the church just isn’t true. I truly believe now that its origins are based on lies. I don’t know where to go from here either as every religious thought and idea I have ever had is based on Mormonism. I also have never liked the temple, other than its aesthetic beauty. I wish I had trusted my gut instincts years ago. In my heart, I knew something was very wrong. I am learning to trust myself again. I do believe there is a God who knows me. My faith crisis started the day I prayed to know truth. I believe he helped me find it, or at least the first steps. I know there is some truth and beauty in Mormonism, but there is ugliness as well. I love my husband and need to find a way to make this work. I would like to start from scratch, but that is not a viable option right now.
May 21, 2013 at 2:18 pm #269310Anonymous
GuestHSAB, In a similar situation to yours, I found something to latch onto by turning to the NT. We use it at church, but only tangentially. Yet, there is a great message (and a simpler message) there. May 21, 2013 at 3:33 pm #269311Anonymous
GuestIt is difficult, I do feel for you, I have passed through the valley. This example is one of the potential downfalls when teachings and traditions become overly literalistic, when the shadows move and impressions take a different shape many people will become disillusioned about what they previously thought they saw. In my opinion (now in hindsight) the problem is not with the shifting image, the problem is with the expectation that the image was supposed to be static and not only material but cast in stone.
My suggestion if the desire is to move forward from here “in faith” is to learn to accept a new point of view. It is difficult and it takes time to transition because to be most effective you have do digest more than “from this point forward.” To be truly effective you end up going back in time and re-interpreting most everything you thought you “knew.”
It is possible. There are perspectives that exist in the church that are compatible with both “reality” and “faith.” It is a more mature faith, one that is able to continually adapt to new “revelations” and insights – one that is full of both charity and a thirst for knowledge.
The biggest requirement for it is a strong hunger to obtain it.
Best wishes on your quest.
Martha wrote:I truly believe now that its origins are based on lies.
In my opinion that is a very high bar to maintain. “Lie” requires intent, if people are honestly mistaken they can lead people terribly astray yet not meet the “lie” requirement. I have a hard time seeing that level of intent in almost all cases of church history.
May 21, 2013 at 3:53 pm #269312Anonymous
GuestHSAB & Martha – I don’t know that I would agree that your faith is gone, just different. I tend to think that the LDS church is just another church. It has similar functions as other churches. It is also my tribe and my heritage. For better or for worse, I am a Mormon boy. Orson wrote:In my opinion that is a very high bar to maintain. “Lie” requires intent, if people are honestly mistaken they can lead people terribly astray yet not meet the “lie” requirement. I have a hard time seeing that level of intent in almost all cases of church history.
Yup – wishful thinking, exageration, self-fulfilling prophecies, groupthink, etc. are all evident. But to claim that someone is lying about their belief is a very difficult thing to prove. I believe that there is a fair amount of evidence that JS believed his own story. Others believed on his words, bolstered by their own spiritual experiences. Now if you are saying that the modern church hasn’t done a very good job at sharing a more complete understanding of our own history and in some instances has withheld truth that it might consider to be damaging to faith, then I agree.
May 21, 2013 at 4:12 pm #269313Anonymous
GuestThanks everyone. I really appreciate the insights. Martha that sounds like a really hard place to be. My husband probably wants to be mormon someday but he doesn’t really ever feel like going to church or doing anything church related. ( Although we pray together everyday and i love that.) In general that is perfect for where I’m alright now except that I want to make decisions and figure out what I do believe. So I may struggle more with that down he road. It is such a weird place to be. All my good friends are very open minded, inactive or no longer mormon. I get used to having open discussions and then I go to church and say something about feminism and every one freaks out. May 21, 2013 at 4:22 pm #269314Anonymous
GuestMy only advice is to find out what you personally believe and live according to the dictates of your own conscience. After all, our Articles of Faith say we believe in that; we (collectively) just don’t live it all that well. I also echo the comments about lying. If you realize that lots of people could listen to what you believe and dismiss everything as “based on lies”, it’s easier to be more charitable toward those whom you don’t believe anymore.
May 21, 2013 at 4:26 pm #269315Anonymous
GuestHSAB wrote:I’m realizing that maybe I don’t believe in most of what the church teaches. It’s crazy to me because I was so so strong before.
I feel like I believed in it without knowing the full story…When I Roy think about what I believe it’s mostly just the basic Christian doctrines. That and eternal families and eternal progression. But I don’t believe in much more than that.I did visiting teaching today and I taught the lesson…the girls thought it was wonderful-but then proceeded to talk about things that I don’t believe. I just realized that what they were talking about was basic and that I didn’t believe it at all.I don’t feel sad, just surprised…I built my faith on my pre-temple singles ward church and it’s like I’m in this new world now. It isn’t what I like but most importantly it is not what I believe…I don’t know where I go from here. Maybe it’s already good enough and really the best you can hope for to simply believe whatever makes the most sense to you now and it doesn’t need to be a terrible thing if it turns out that the LDS Church is just another man-made church. It is the Church itself that sets the expectations that it supposedly needs to be so much more than that and you should believe a long list of very specific doctrines but that doesn’t mean there is much validity to these ideas to begin with.
May 21, 2013 at 5:24 pm #269316Anonymous
GuestHSAB wrote:When I Roy think about what I believe it’s mostly just the basic Christian doctrines.
This is probably a huge tangent but I couldn’t help but notice that my name appears in this sentence. Is “Roy think” being used here as a verb and if it is – what does it mean to “Roy think”?
May 21, 2013 at 6:24 pm #269317Anonymous
GuestMan, we could start a whole new thread about that typo!
May 21, 2013 at 9:28 pm #269318Anonymous
GuestOld-Timer wrote:My only advice is to find out what you personally believe and live according to the dictates of your own conscience.
After all, our Articles of Faith say we believe in that; we (collectively) just don’t live it all that well.I also echo the comments about lying. If you realize that lots of people could listen to what you believe and dismiss everything as “based on lies”, it’s easier to be more charitable toward those whom you don’t believe anymore.
Hi, HSAB – I hope you’ll start making friendships in and out of the church, just being a plain, old “basic Christian.” When I read Ray’s advice I thought of a man in our ward who comes to church for sacrament meeting and then leaves. I know he has a lot of disagreements with the church, but he obviously values taking the sacrament. I used to make all kinds of judgments and assumptions about him. I used to feel a sort of pity for him. Now he’s my hero. He’s an upstanding citizen, a giving person and is much more open to orthodox members than they are to him. His steadiness comes from within.
May 21, 2013 at 10:57 pm #269319Anonymous
GuestWow HSAB you described more perfectly these past couple of months. I haven’t posted on here for a while as I just can’t seem to figure out which way to go. Like you I have lost my faith. I have no clue which direction I am going, so for now I am just lurking in the shadows at church as I have ‘quit’ my calling as I just couldn’t teach the things u was being asked too. Good luck, I will keep lurking here and am interested in following your story. Sent from my GT-I9100M using Tapatalk 2
May 22, 2013 at 1:50 am #269320Anonymous
GuestRoy wrote:HSAB wrote:When I Roy think about what I believe it’s mostly just the basic Christian doctrines.
This is probably a huge tangent but I couldn’t help but notice that my name appears in this sentence. Is “Roy think” being used here as a verb and if it is – what does it mean to “Roy think”?

Ha ha ha!!! To ‘Roy think’ is to think about things in an exceptionally profound way
no one understands what I’m talking about when I use it, but I guess they are just not profound enough!
I think it was probably supposed to be really? Auto correct has done worse
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