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    I’m new here. I have found this site because after learning some unsavory facts about church history my self crumbled. My husband does not understand so I am trying to figure everything out on my own now. I was married in the temple almost 5 years ago (way before my recent feelings of discontent with the church). I had a lot of issues with the temple, but that’s not even what this is about.

    This is about garments. They suck. Every single day I have worn them I have felt some degree of torture. I have spent a fortune trying every size/ style/ cut/ fabric. They are AWFUL and I legitimately HATE them. I know you’re supposed to wear them and whatnot… but I am SO uncomfortable. I just heard that they changed the style of the drisilque bottoms so I ordered a pair… The crotch is 14.5″ long. Yes I measured. That’s about a FOOT longer than necessary. I just can’t do it anymore. I just had a baby, and while pregnant I justified not wearing the dreadful things because I was already uncomfortable enough. Now that I’m trying to wear them again it’s making my skin crawl just thinking about it.

    I can’t be the only one with this problem?

    #270403
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    We have at least two posts dedicated specifically to the issue of garments, and one of them has dozens of comments. I will find at least the long one and bump it up for you to read. (I found it. There are 81 comments.)

    Also, welcome. I think you will find people here who understand.

    #270404
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    You Are Not Alone (I’m trying to be emphatic but not berating – what is the appropriate punctuation for that? :P )

    I’m not sure how familiar you are with the search functions so I’ve taken the liberty of providing some links:

    http://forum.staylds.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3217&hilit=+garments

    http://forum.staylds.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3565&hilit=garments

    http://bycommonconsent.com/2013/05/13/female-garments-the-underwear-business/#comment-298379

    I recommend that you start at the last one and work your way back from there. Not only is the article well written but “By Common Consent” seems to be more traditionally believing than StayLDS. If your goal is to discover that faithful Mormon women of all kinds have challenges, frustrations, and battles with garments – I’d start there!

    Welcome maggiemoo – You have come to the right place.

    #270405
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    I wore them for 30 years and finally got tired of them hanging below my knees. I figure that when the church either lets me make bottoms that fit me, or makes sizes that work for me, I will wear them again.

    #270406
    Anonymous
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    I don’t wear Mormon garments. I no longer feel guilty.

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    #270407
    Anonymous
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    maggiemoo wrote:

    I just can’t do it anymore. I just had a baby, and while pregnant I justified not wearing the dreadful things because I was already uncomfortable enough. Now that I’m trying to wear them again it’s making my skin crawl just thinking about it.

    I can’t be the only one with this problem?

    You are NOT alone! And this is a safe place to express yourself.

    #270408
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    Just FYI, MaggieMoo – I’m the author of that BCC piece about female garments last month. It is one of the most viewed posts of the bloggernacle, and it was frequently linked. There are lots of women with issues, so you are most definitely not alone. Sisters unite!

    #270409
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    maggiemoo,

    I continue to wear mine for the following reasons:

    – I don’t own any regular underwear

    – After so long, I actually find them comfortable

    – My wife is still faithful, so I don’t want that to be one more issue

    If you want to wear yours, wear them. If you don’t, then don’t. One thing you’ve probably noticed on this site is that there is a much higher degree of individual choice here than in the general church population. Garments are supposed to be a reminder to you of your devotion to God. If it doesn’t work for you, nobody else needs to give permission to you to stop wearing them. I occasionally wear a cross around my neck (but under my clothes so that it’s not visible). When I do it, I find that it is a great reminder of my belief in the good of Christianity (as a practical way of living) and of the good people who have embraced it in their lives. For me, it is far, far more effective as a reminder than garments are.

    I do appreciate the concept of garments, as something that you wear under your street clothes as an inner symbol of devotion. I think this is a powerful idea. By contrast other religious symbols are often worn as outer signals of devotion; to show others that you are devout… I have no problem with people wearing outer symbols, except when it is done specifically to make themselves appear holy to others. So, if garments don’t work for you in that way, there is no reason to wear them (IMO). Maybe think of finding something else that does, and use that as a substitute.

    #270410
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    thanks everyone. Hawkgrrl. I LOVED your blog post. Seriously… how do we get these changes made. It’s funny because I was talking to some girl friends in the church trying (with little success) to get some sympathy for my garment issues. I suggested that we change garments to a spaghetti strap cami and boyshort underwear. I was looked at like I had two heads.

    #270411
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    I have issues with the garments as well. Lately I’m not wearing them as much for various reasons. I think a spaghetti strap cami and boy shorts would be wonderful! Sadly, I don’t see that ever happening. I applaud you for even bringing it up with your friends. You’re a braver soul than me. :clap:

    #270412
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    As someone who has said that he wouldn’t have a problem with body-hugging garments and other modifications that probably shouldn’t be mentioned publicly :shh: , spaghetti strap camis and boy shorts are on the more modest spectrum of what I would accept. 😯

    Seriously, when the symbols are removed, some people use the remaining cloth as . . . well . . . cloth – and that is approved fully by the Church. If only the symbols are sacred, I really don’t give a large rodent’s hindquarters what the rest of the garment looks like.

    Just saying.

    #270413
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    Maybe a committee will haggle some more about designs and fabrics. But whoever gets rounded up to “work” on garments isn’t ME. I will never again look for permission to feel comfortable and feminine in my own mind, my own house, my own marriage.

    Instead of the moment when other people look at you like you’ve got two heads for suggesting garment changes, I’ve decided to pay attention to that moment when I looked at myself in the mirror and thought, “You have never, ever been happy with how you look in garments. You have one life.”

    There are things about wearing garments that I like. Let me wear them when and how I choose.

    #270414
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    Quote:

    There are things about wearing garments that I like. Let me wear them when and how I choose.

    Interestingly, at the end of the Handbook of Instructions section on garments, after all the general “shoulds” and “should nots”, Ann’s summary above is what the handbook actually says – that it’s up to the individual member and the Lord to make the choice.

    Anyone who insists on one way to do so is more a “cafeteria Mormon”, in that regard, than someone who chooses an alternative to constantly wearing them every imaginable moment.

    I mean that, and it’s important to remember when discussing the garment.

    #270415
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    I have not had a pair on in over a year. Most comfortable year of my life except when I was a teenager. When I did wear them I was not in agony or anything and got rather use to them. But then as my disaffection grew they became a not a sign of my devotion but a symbol of my bondage.

    I am sure I will offend but I think garments need to go completely. No modifications necessary just get rid of them. They are a tool of control. God does not care what underwear you have on.

    #270416
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    Over thousands of years the Jewish Garment the (Tallit Katan) has evolved into its current state. We are taught that Christ wore this Garment and noted its sacred significance. We read that it is within the Jewish faith to wear the garment beneath the clothing but over an undershirt. I’m sure this has to do with comfort. In seeing this ancient tradition I’m not sure why women cant wear a bra first and the garment top second. As the symbols would still be hidden yet inward.

    The early female pioneers had garments that went to the sleeve length. We note how this has since change. And I’m sure with the right friction the church will continue to adapt its garments to the future.

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