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August 23, 2013 at 2:07 pm #207892
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GuestI’ve been struggling with things for years. It all came to a head early this year when I found some examples online of people who decided to take a break and seemed better off for it. (See http://pearceonearth.com/why-i-left-the-mormon-church/ )It helped me to decide to accept the fact I wasn’t going to get back to “normal” this time.
My wife and I decided we needed some space to figure out how we wanted to live without feeling like anyone was looking over our shoulder. We moved to Costa Rica and have been away from family for a couple of months. It’s been really great! We feel much happier now, have great friends, are connecting to people better. We are not attending church, aren’t wearing garments, and drink coffee. So it’s not like we’ve “left” the church exactly. We still agree with a lot of the ideas, but with those 3 changes we’re pretty obviously not traditional members.
My mom is visiting us here next week. We’ve been talking about what to do, but I thought I’d ask for your advice. I know we don’t exactly fit even the stay lds mold, but I admire the attitude of the people here. We don’t have anything to prove, and I care deeply about how hard this is for my family.
We are tired of pretending though: I don’t want to go to church just so my mom doesn’t know what’s going on (I didn’t even bring church clothes), and I’m certainly not going to start wearing garments again (way too hot here for those anyway
. We are thinking of stopping the coffee while she’s here because that’s not too big of a deal and we don’t want to shock her too much
. The family has had hints: we’ve skyped wearing obviously-not-garment-compatible clothes a couple times.
My family is more progressive than most. I know for a fact that my dad at 2 of my brothers have struggled with their testimonies, but all still attend church and have decided that it’s a good path. I’m guessing my mom doesn’t think as deeply about it.
I currently feel like just getting it over with a little bit, without really talking about being gone: just explaining that we don’t attend church or wear garments, but focus on shared beliefs. I feel like if we let the cat out of the bag, I could start rebuilding relationships in this new context.
Any advice?
August 23, 2013 at 2:14 pm #272687Anonymous
GuestFor me, it would depend on how much face to face interaction I expect to have with my family in the future. My wife’s family (the only Mormons that are also family) live in another country, so we don’t see them very much. If they came to stay, I would not rock the boat, let them enjoy themself and then send them home happy without them ever knowing how I felt. If I have to interact with them on a regular basis and could not hide my change in commitment, then there might have to be some disclosure, gently…that would be a different conversation that I can do right now.
For this trip, you might consider wearing clothes that don’t raise the garment question. Shorts can be longer, shirts crew neck, etcetera. I live in a tropical climate and that combination serves me well. Spend lots of time in active beach activities where you can leave garments off without raising concerns.
Regarding church….you can get by with long pants and a shirt with no tie and casual shoes, and I’m sure your wife can come up with something. Alternatively, you can look for a local event that is on Sunday if your mother is a bit progressive and willing to skip church for the event due to being on vacation. You could also minimize the church experience by simply attending one meeting and skipping the other two hours.
Personally, I would not rock the boat if you will not see your family regularly after the trip. We have lots of stories about how this never ends well. Some people find their parents actually agree with you, but if you aren’t sure how they will react, I would not rock the boat.
Good call on the coffee.
If I can draw an analogy — six years ago I had all the symptoms of a terrible debilitating disease. Doctors indicated they would only know over time whether I had it. I chose not to tell my parents about it at all. I did not want to upset them or worry them. I would approach the church position you are taking the same way — as something you keep from your parents/Mom in order to help them preserve their inner peace. That is kind and full of service. And I think you’ll feel better about the decision to stay mum about it after Mom leaves.
August 23, 2013 at 3:08 pm #272688Anonymous
GuestThanks Silent Dawning. Those are really good points. I’m pretty close with my family, and we interact a lot. We’re out of the country now, but we are traveling back to live with them for a few weeks in December. I would guess that over the next couple of years we will spend about 4 weeks a year living in the same house as we visit each other.
I mean, she’s going to be in our two bedroom house. I don’t even have full garments with me. I’d literally have to sneak around to avoid her having to see me not wearing them when I go to the bathroom at night and stuff.
August 23, 2013 at 3:49 pm #272689Anonymous
GuestIt sounds like you want to come out of the closet…correct? August 23, 2013 at 3:55 pm #272690Anonymous
GuestI guess so. I’m willing to consider changing my mind if I should, but I feel like I can’t keep it up forever, and now’s as good a time as any to show we can still have a good relationship? So I’m more wondering *how* to do it I guess.
August 23, 2013 at 5:23 pm #272691Anonymous
GuestI have no advice, only to echo that the middle way is not easy. My family have known I’m an “apostate” for over two years.
Jwalds family, not so much. For my daughter’s graduation, they came out, and I served home made beer to the local friends and guests, and drank plenty myself. Jwalds family sat out and played banjos and guitars with us, and had a great time.
It wasn’t nearly as big a deal as I thought it was going to be…night and day from my own family reacted..
I feel relieved that I can be authentic now,and still be respectful.
Good luck.
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August 23, 2013 at 5:30 pm #272692Anonymous
Guestcwald wrote:
For my daughter’s graduation, they came out, and I served home made beer to the local friends and guests,and drank plenty myself. You have to taste it to make sure it is drinkable! Made me laugh.
😆 Do you have a cleaver name for the brew? Too bad you are so far away, you sound like someone who is fun to hang out with!:thumbup: August 23, 2013 at 5:51 pm #272693Anonymous
Guestembwbam wrote:I guess so. I’m willing to consider changing my mind if I should, but I feel like I can’t keep it up forever, and now’s as good a time as any to show we can still have a good relationship?
So I’m more wondering *how* to do it I guess.
Then I would ease them into it. Start gently this time by wearing only half of your garment. You decide which one. Go to church dressed as best you can, and don’t drink coffee.
After they get used to that, take the next step. Don’t hit them with ice-water at the start…just gentle introduction, one step at a time. And emphasize those things you still practice to help them feel better.
August 23, 2013 at 5:56 pm #272694Anonymous
GuestHeavy_Laden wrote:You have to taste it to make sure it is drinkable! Made me laugh.
😆 Do you have a cleaver name for the brew? :I have developed a fantastic orange rye IPA. The house special. Here is my label.
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August 23, 2013 at 6:09 pm #272695Anonymous
Guestcwald wrote:I feel relieved that I can be authentic now,and still be respectful.
I want to echo what cwald said. I’m glad it’s out in the open. It was crushing for me before, and freeing when I finally got to the point of “coming out”. And, like cwald said, being respectful is crucial.embwbam wrote:focus on shared beliefs
Yes. It’s important, not only for ourselves, but for others, that we focus on what we DO believe, and don’t define our beliefs by what we don’t believe or by the differences in our beliefs. There is no point in arguing about differences, and I wouldn’t even mention them. If asked, I, me… speaking for myself, would say that I don’t want to get into specifics… If pressed, I’d just fall back on my standby… I’m not a believer anymore. But I always try to come back to the idea that I’m still the same person that I’ve always been and that I support their faith and belief in the church.A common concern that family members feel for people like us is that they perceive that we are falling, and it is unknown how far we will fall, or how much we will change. Reinforce them with your undying love and gratitude for them, and reassure that you still want to be a good person, etc.
I wish you the best of luck no matter what you decide to do or how you decide to approach it.
August 23, 2013 at 6:12 pm #272696Anonymous
GuestOoops…read on. August 23, 2013 at 11:23 pm #272697Anonymous
GuestOn Own Now wrote:A common concern that family members feel for people like us is that they perceive that we are falling, and it is unknown how far we will fall, or how much we will change.
Reinforce them with your undying loveand gratitude for them, and reassure that you still want to be a good person, etc. I’ve realized that this goes a long way in discussions with my mom. Especially in the beginning I think it would have been easy for her to feel like my anger was slopping over onto her. And I guess it was, but I finally saw that for what it was and have tried to course-correct.
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