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October 5, 2013 at 2:54 am #208026
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GuestFowler leads people away from organized religion. This would indicate a bias. This model I created to offer the same ideals but “leading with Faith” Would love feedback – Pos and Neg
Quote:Understanding Faith from the perspective of how to help one in Faith Crisis grasp how to transition to a place where one can lead with faith
Blue Phase – Dualistic approach
In this phase Church members will tend to separate the world into dichotomies or extremes. Examples = Good/Evil, Righteousness/Apostasy, Us/Them. This can even be over extended at times connecting two perceived opposites that really are not. Examples – righteous/cursed
Members in this phase are likely to desire and work better within a very restrictive framework. Commandments are not only a piece of their gospel framework, rather it is the Framework. Commandments/Rules/Council are to be followed explicitly without any exception. In this phase people will generally prefer structure in regards to the rules and they need well defined lines that they can trust in. Examples: Reasoning that we should follow Leaders absolutely/blindly with no exception. They are also more likely in this phase to overstate the rules. Ex: making the Word of Wisdom include things it doesn’t, imposing their definition of the Word of Wisdom on others.
They will be more likely to overstate or view that when Church leaders when speaking publicly are always speaking as prophet/Apostles/Inspired. In relation to not generally making exceptions they may say things like Lying is always wrong (Intruder who wants to hurt your children), Murder is always wrong (nephi/Laban), Breaking the Sabbath in terms of letter of the Law is always wrong (even if it means be able to serve one in need).
In their perception all fits neatly into compartments and there is safety in this reasoning. They are unprepared to handle nuance in large degrees.
Red Phase – Chaos
This phase can be most easily understood as – when a member of the Church comes to grips that the events and behavior around them no longer meet the expectations and assumptions of their dualistic approach. Examples – They begin to see Church leaders are not perfect, that mistakes happen, that history is not so simple once explored. Many types of transition can occur at this point but for the purpose of this paper we will describe two.
This stage can be chaotic and contain more tension than one can easily handle. Faith Crisis, if it occurs, normally manifests itself in this phase.
This phase is normally an adjustment phase where one begins to strip away what works and fits; and what does not. One must either rebuild their framework or one must retreat back to the Blue phase. If one retreats, they will not be able to do without abandoning one dualistic approach for another. Example: Leaving Mormonism for Evangelical Christianity or for Atheism but only adjusting their unrealistic assumptions and expectations very little.
While the reality is they are beginning to see the nuance in the world, they don’t yet have the recognition to see it for what it is. What is meant by this is that rather than see their expectations and assumptions from the Blue Phase as unrealistic, they may simply hang onto those assumptions and expectations and decide rather that their beliefs no longer hold true. Example: If one feels Murder is always wrong and then encounters Nephi murdering Laban on God’s command as impossible to reconcile. They will be forced to either abandon Nephi’s righteous/inspired motives or they will have to abandon a faith that proscribes these exceptions entirely.
A person going through this process of testing what works and what does not, may have moments of anger, loss, betrayal, sadness, anxiety, depression, and feel the urge to resolve this conflict quickly. These feelings are serious and must be handled with empathy and understanding. Since in their mind, their assumptions and expectations are realistic or at least were given to them by the Church, they may display feeling of anger and act out against the Church. They may rebel against standards, or test the waters of inactivity.
Any effort to compel the person to “get back in line” is risky and at times inappropriate though each issue/circumstance should be judged on it’s own merit. Generally the person needs flexibility. They need to see that any new truths they discover likely still fits within the gospel. They need to know they do not have to fit a mold and are not required to accept other’s truths blindly but rather encouraged to seek confirmation from the spirit and be aware that they are encouraged by the Church to use their agency. Help them to see there is much diversity of thought, opinion, and belief within Mormonism.
As they are met with gospel truths and principles that permit them the flexibility they seek and display a mormonism that is more encompassing than they first realized, they will begin to recognize that it was not the gospel that was misaligned but rather their expectations and assumptions. Recognizing this provides them a road back to a place of faith which we will speak of next in the Green Phase. If they do not recognize this they will likely withdraw their activity, disengage emotionally, or abandon faith all-together.
Green Phase – reconciliation
Members in this phase recognize and cherish nuance. They see the breadth of the gospel and find joy in it’s complexities. They see that issues rarely tend to be cut and dry and likely need much study, ponder, and prayer to arrive at conclusions. They also tend to realize that inspired answers are for them, and they are careful not to impose those answers on others. Whereas the Blue Phase preferred structure and Commandments, the Green Phase prefers as Moroni 7 teaches, the ability to judge for oneself based on the Holy Ghost what it is that brings them closer Christ. This is not to be understood that they seek to break commandments or live above the law, but rather on those items that are beyond the Doctrine of the Church they enjoy the freedom to govern themselves. They are more likely not to be bothered by differing views and actually embrace others differences. They tend to be more tolerant of differences and recognize that while their “t”ruth is theirs, it is not another’s “T”ruth. They have reconciled their assumptions and expectations to be more realistic and to better fit life’s experiences. They tend to be able to distinguish more easily between culture and doctrine. It must be stated here that their views still have flaws and errors, but they also tend to recognize that and realize their view will be one of constant shifting and re-appraisal. They tend to not impose their views on others but rather offer them as one additional way to consider how to connect things.
Richard Bushman in his 2008 presentation “Joseph Smith and his Critics” described a reconciled Latter-Day Saint this way
1. They often say they learned the Prophet was human. They don’t expect him to be a model of perfect deportment as they once thought. He may have taken a glass of wine from time to time, or scolded his associates, or even have made business errors. They see his virtues and believe in his revelations but don’t expect perfection.
2. They also don’t believe he was led by revelation in every detail. They see him as learning gradually to be a prophet and having to feel his way at times like most Church members. In between the revelations, he was left to himself to work out the methods of complying with the Lord’s commandments. Sometimes he had to experiment until he found the right way.
3. These newly revived Latter-day Saints also develop a more philosophical attitude toward history. They come to see (like professional historians) that facts can have many interpretations. Negative facts are not necessarily as damning as they appear at first sight. Put in another context alongside other facts, they do not necessarily destroy Joseph Smith’s reputation.
4. Revived Latter-day Saints focus on the good things they derive from their faith–the community of believers, the comforts of the Holy Spirit, the orientation toward the large questions of life, contact with God, moral discipline, and many others. They don’t want to abandon these good things. Starting from that point of desired belief, they are willing to give Joseph Smith and the doctrine a favorable hearing. They may not be absolutely certain about every item, but they are inclined to see the good and the true in the Church.
Some other Notes regarding these phases
One is never in one phase entirely and likely has some footing in all three phases.
These phases are not to compare one with another but rather to show how one got into a faith crisis and to empower them to get through it maintaining faith.
In the red phase there are several transitions. For purpose of length we discussed two concepts only
October 6, 2013 at 6:05 am #274692Anonymous
GuestHi, DBMormon – I don’t know enough Fowler to comment, really, so my only reaction upon a quick skim is that the colors don’t make much sense to me. October 6, 2013 at 12:06 pm #274693Anonymous
GuestDBMormon — I think it’s a bit too long for the average bear to read quickly enough to get the main points of what you are saying. I would write it shorter or better yet, put it in a table that gives the phase name, a brief description, and then the key behavioral, cognitive or affective impact of each phase. Also include how the person tends to react to attempts to jar them out of the progression by traditional MOrmon arguments. Unlike Ann, the colors make sense to me as the Blue phase is a TBM phase, the red phase is the crisis, and the green phase represents renewal and progress again.
It strikes me as having a lot in common with this model here involving the five stages of grief — denial, anger, bargaining, depression and then acceptance. It’s not a one-to-one match, but I see commonalities between some of the phases, particularly the first two and the last one. Also, many of us experience the depression phase after we find out central beliefs shattered, and some also go through the bargaining phase in an effort to get a clear revelation about the truth.
October 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm #274691Anonymous
GuestDB, Models like Fowler’s, Kohlberg’s, Piaget’s, etc. are the result of 1) a piqued curiosity about a phenomenon, b) followed by a rough conceptual framework, c) followed by the gathering of large amounts of data (interviews, surveys, etc.), and finally by d) analysis of the data, and e) a reworking or rejection of the framework/model, and f) repeat the process. It seems that you are working on a conceptual framework that could be used for such a study. I would hesitate to throw a model out there for practical application without that data and analysis backing it up, however.
I think the observation the “Fowler leads people away from organized religion” is a good point–and may be at the core of why the Brethren felt E Poelman’s 1984 conference talk (
) was too controversial for general consumption. The talk suggests that as we progressively internalize gospel principles, we become less and less dependent on Church programs until…well, you fill in the blank.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcM7koDc-jghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcM7koDc-jg” class=”bbcode_url”> I personally believe that faith development
doeseventually lead to a lessening of the need for organized religion. However, there will always be a need for service to others and Zion-building. FWIW. October 7, 2013 at 6:32 pm #274690Anonymous
GuestDB, Do you know about William Perry’s Scheme of Intellectual and Ethical Development? (Here’s a ppt video:
You’ll love the elevator music!). When I read Fowler, I was actually reminded of Perry. Perry’s ideas might be a good fit for informing your model. Here’s a handout on it:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff0nMe_OwJg%20http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff0nMe_OwJg%20” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.jmu.edu/geology/evolutionarysystems/protected/handouts/willperry2.pdf ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.jmu.edu/geology/evolutionarysystems/protected/handouts/willperry2.pdf [Edit–maybe I’ll have to do a writeup of Perry applied to Mormon faith development]
October 7, 2013 at 9:28 pm #274689Anonymous
GuestHi DB, I like it. One weakness of Fowler is the numbering system. It suggests that the later numbers are more advanced than the earlier numbers.
I feel that where this model could be most helpful is in helping local church leadership to have a playbook in dealing with dissaffected members. The model itself is positive enough about the gospel as to not be outright rejected but does highlight different characteristics of the phases (like the tendency to go beyond the mark in commandment keeping).
October 19, 2013 at 2:29 pm #274694Anonymous
GuestI thought this would be more helpful in assisting people to find faith again whereas Fowler seems to say the conclusion is to pull away from belief October 19, 2013 at 3:04 pm #274695Anonymous
GuestI think Fowler’s model doesn’t lead to pulling away from faith. I think it leads to pulling away from assertion of dogmatic knowledge. That’s a huge difference. The issue in Mormonism (and plenty of other religious constructions) is that faith and knowledge have been conflated to a large degree and knowledge has been valued over faith – and knowledge has been asserted as possible for all with regard to all. Fowler, I think, is a rejection of that kind of dogmatism – not of faith itself. I think it can be viewed by many as pulling away from faith, but I think that’s due to the misunderstanding of faith that exists so prevalently.
For a Mormon audience, I like removing the numbers, for the reason Roy stated. The colors work, if they are explained – if there is a stated reason for their use. All by themselves, without explanation, they might muddy the water a bit.
October 21, 2013 at 3:53 pm #274696Anonymous
GuestDBMormon wrote:Fowler leads people away from organized religion.
I know there are many layers to a statement, especially this one, but I have to say I believe the INTENT of Fowler is simply observational. He set out to make sense of what is already happening – not to effect future directions. Understanding a regular movement can be helpful when you feel alone.
Also, Fowler recognizes that many people do in fact return to their organized tradition in stage 5, even if it is with altered perspectives. I would argue if we are afraid of our perspectives changing we are hindering our own eternal progression.
October 22, 2013 at 12:32 am #274697Anonymous
GuestDBMormon wrote:I thought this would be more helpful in assisting people to find faith again whereas Fowler seems to say the conclusion is to pull away from belief
I don’t read Fowler this way. I think Fowler shows a change in belief and faith in the individual, not the removal of it or the need to find it again if lost, nor the need to reconcile with a group or a church institution.Perhaps it could be said that the authority for one’s view of truth or what to have faith in transitions from an outside authority, to inward authority, but I don’t think Fowler is advocating for moving away from organized religions or from belief itself. I think it is a deeper belief or commitment to a faith, not moving away from church or the need for a religion.
In one summary, Fowler Stage 5 is put very briefly:
Quote:It is rare for people to reach this stage before mid-life. This is the point when people begin to realize the limits of logic and start to accept the paradoxes in life. They begin to see life as a mystery and often return to sacred stories and symbols but this time without being stuck in a theological box.
My first observation on your model is that it is focused on members of the church, and may be somewhat conflating as to whether the pain experienced in a transition is due to the authority figure (church) or the individual’s capacity to view things differently. Fowler is describing individuals development of faith, whether that involves church or not. Therefore, Fowler can apply even to those who have no religion, or to atheists, or to non-believers. Fowler is not focused on describing the journey people take in and out of a church or even a set of beliefs like a particular religion, but more the development of faith in individuals, whatever their faith is, and simply how it seems to develop over a life time in people.
Blue- Dualistic approach. This is a good description. I like this line also:
Quote:In their perception all fits neatly into compartments and there is safety in this reasoning. They are unprepared to handle nuance in large degrees.
Red- Choas. This description is less clear to me what you are describing
Quote:While the reality is they are beginning to see the nuance in the world, they don’t yet have the recognition to see it for what it is. What is meant by this is that rather than see their expectations and assumptions from the Blue Phase as unrealistic, they may simply hang onto those assumptions and expectations and decide rather that their beliefs no longer hold true.
This seems a bit different than Stage 4 of Fowler to me. It almost sounds like you are describing the person who is stuck in stage 3, but is just moving from one set of beliefs (Mormon), to a different stage 3 set of beliefs (non-mormon, or Catholic, or Buddhist). To see things as “not true” about the religion you were in, does not necessarily show a shift in thinking or shift in the development of faith, but just taking a rebellious opposing view but at the same level of thinking and believing.
Green – reconciliation
I don’t think the name is right. “Reconciliation” seems to imply two groups that were at odds or fighting to be friendly again, or to return to things that were and make it ok again (like a compromise or merely tolerating others). Whereas something like a change to Stage 5 would mean a move forward in seeing it in a new way that embraces the differences, whether popular with the social group or not, it is conjunctive.
Overall, I read Fowler as looking at social groups, not as much institutional religions specifically.
Your model may be more specific to help those with certain issues, but it may leave out other groups that it doesn’t exactly fit. Perhaps Fowler’s model does the same thing. Not everyone on this forum really buys into Fowler as much as others do. I guess that is the challenge with most types of categorical models…it may describe general trends with people, but individuals don’t see it exactly fit them (ironically, is part of some of the models).
Just a few of my thoughts.
Overall, I think there are a lot of good thoughts in those descriptions you wrote.
October 22, 2013 at 2:20 pm #274698Anonymous
GuestI appreciate the feedback October 24, 2013 at 1:54 am #274699Anonymous
GuestFowler’s model is good, but this Faith Transitional Model is much better, I think. Thank you for sharing, Bill. October 24, 2013 at 2:21 pm #274700Anonymous
GuestI don’t think Fowler’s model is perfect but it is just a way to describe the typical transitions in religious beliefs and ways of thinking many people tend to go through in the normal process of maturity and interpreting new experiences and knowledge they encounter over time, not only Mormons but in general. If it seems biased against organized religion based on what we are used to seeing I would say that is mostly because the LDS Church is currently so strongly geared around the Stage 2-3 mindset that the majority of those that transition to what Fowler would call Stages 4 and 5 will end up leaving the Church behind altogether. To me this says more about what the LDS Church and culture have become than it does about how effective Fowler’s model is in describing the situation fairly accurately. Basically it is fairly typical for people to go through a skeptical and/or rebellious phase but the Church is currently so unfriendly and uncompromising toward anything other than the traditional orthodox LDS beliefs, rules, and routines that it makes it difficult for very many people like this to stick around or return to full activity in the Church after truly testing out some of the alternative answers for themselves. October 24, 2013 at 3:32 pm #274701Anonymous
GuestDevilsAdvocate wrote:Basically it is fairly typical for people to go through a skeptical and/or rebellious phase but the Church is currently so unfriendly and uncompromising toward anything other than the traditional orthodox LDS beliefs, rules, and routines that it makes it difficult for very many people like this to stick around or return to full activity in the Church after truly testing out some of the alternative answers for themselves.
I mostly agree DA. I see great value in this model in explaining faith transition to Stage 3 Mormons. If they can interact with the member in faith crisis without defensiveness, blaiming, etc. Then everybody wins. I wish my bishop had a copy of this model.
October 24, 2013 at 3:45 pm #274702Anonymous
GuestI think my brother, my stake president, and my bishop would all say they would fit into the Green phase. Even my prior bishop who was a straight arrow, by the book guy, would likely identify with green, though, i would call him Blue. Yet all seem stage 3 to me. There is much overlap with this description of Green and Fowler’s stage 3, I think. I think most people who get older get more nuanced.
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