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    I would like some input on this bit of reflection in which I’ve been engaging recently.

    To me, the idea of “forgiving and forgetting” can be challenging when the entity or individual that keeps offending you does so over and over and over again. You can forgive, meaning, you no longer hold angst toward the situation, but there are times that you simply cannot forget. Reasons include awareness that the situation can damage your personal safety, your emotional health, or even, your general happiness.

    For example, after someone behaves a certain way over and over again, making similar mistakes or offenses that hurt you, I believe there may come a point when you decide “I will minimize my interactions with this person or their situations — not because I hate them, but for my own personal happiness and well-being. Willingly placing myself into the situation that requires forgiving the same offences over and over again requires too much personal energy and investment that detracts from my productivity.”

    I would rather forgive a reasonable number of times, and then alter my behavior so that I am not constantly exposing myself to the situation over and over again – where possible.

    I am referring to arms length relationships here — not family.

    Naturally, this scenario of repeated offenses has happened in the church a number of times. Once when I was barely a new member. I was deeply hurt and disilliusioned for a while, overcame, restored my happiness and then moved forward with great productivity, overcoming some significant obstacles. A few years later, a similar event happened again, although worse, leading to the same cycle of deep unhappiness. I eventually overcame, and then went on to be highly productive in the church. A few years later, a similar experience occurred. That time, plunging me into what a doctor told me was clinical depression — the first time in my life. I overcame this and continued white knuckling my way to significant church productivity without withdrawing, which I achieved. And then a year later, a similar incident occurred, plunging me into another brief period of depression, protracted frustration for several months until the issue was finally resolved.

    And then I came to StayLDS.

    When I describe the cumulative effect of these frustrations, TBM’s say things like “it was a long time ago”. “Don’t let other people interfere with your service”. The underlying assumption is that you should keep exposing yourself to the situations that lead to the angst, the emotional unheaval, and the loss of productivity in spite of the fact that history has shown you it will likely happen again.

    Particularly when the church is involved.

    I tentatively disagree. I believe that when situations have shown repeated potential to damage your health or emotional well-being, you should definitely forgive — this will allow you remove the angst you feel when you reflect on the negative experience.

    But in the case of repeated offences you should learn from the experience, and then stop placing yourself in a position where you have to confront the offensive behavior over and over again. Continue interacting with people or the situations as you must, but take care that the interactions will not be so intense they provide further opportunities for the offensive behavior and all its consequences to occur again. This can mean lessening involvement below a certain threshold, At least this way, you can stay.

    Thoughts?

    #275584
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    I’m not so sure forgiving and forgetting (a phrase not used in the scriptures to my knowledge) is unconditional. Yes, scripture does teach us the necessity of forgiving and scripture talks about God forgetting (although there is some apparent contradiction in Alma). I believe we can (and should) forgive others and at the same time protect ourselves by not putting ourselves in the situation where harm (of any kind) may come to us by not forgetting. For example, if you were mugged going down a certain street at a certain time, and you know that the same individuals are there on that street at the same time, I believe you can forgive the mugger yet not forget what he did and avoid going down that street at that time when you know he’s there. I don’t think God expects us to repeatedly put ourselves in harm’s way by “forgetting.” I do believe that, over time, we are able to go beyond forgiving and forget that someone has harmed us if that person has repented (meaning he/she has not repeated the harm among other things), we can actually forget the circumstances as a part of our total forgiveness. Jesus did say to turn the other cheek, he did not say to turn it again and he in no way implied that we should not defend ourselves from real harm.

    #275585
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    Forgiving and forgetting are two very, very different things, and they don’t have to go together in this life. You can forgive without forgetting – and in some cases it is absolutely necessary not to forget.

    Rushing right now. More later on that last principle.

    #275586
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    Alma 36:19

    Quote:

    And now, behold, when I thought this, I could remember my pains no more; yea, I was harrowed up by the memory of my sins no more.

    I think the issue of “forgetting” is more letting go of the bitterness. I would think that some have left the LDS church and have “forgiven and forgotten” in the sense that they have compassion upon the church, the members, and their former selves. They hold no rancor towards the church but they have found it necessary for their wellbeing to separate from it. I have thought that the instruction to forgive is for the benefit of the forgiver, lest bitterness fester.

    I also noticed that when you are the transgressor you are instructed to make restitution above and beyond what was taken. Forgiveness cannot be demanded or forced, it must be freely given from the offended.

    #275587
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    Here are two things I wrote about the difference between forgiving and forgetting:

    Sometimes, Forgiveness Doesn’t include Forgetting” (http://thingsofmysoul.blogspot.com/2013/09/sometimes-forgiveness-doesnt-include.html)

    To Forgive Is Better than to Forget” (http://thingsofmysoul.blogspot.com/2009/03/to-forgive-is-better-than-to-forget.html)

    #275588
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    The other day I was thinking about forgiveness and an idea I’d never thought of popped up.

    Forgiveness is letting someone back to the table.

    I know it sounds weird, but when I finally forgive someone, when I find I really do let go of my grudge part of it and can treat them like a person – then it’s like inviting them to feast of the Lord and letting them join us. No holds barred.

    It doesn’t mean I forget the incident, it means it doesn’t burn any more for me. The remembering can be instructive but not destructive.

    I don’t know if it applies to every situation, but it seemed to apply to a lot of them.

    #275589
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    I really like that image, mom3 – a lot.

    #275590
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    I really like a quote I saw on one of those pictures that float around Facebook:

    Quote:

    Forgiving doesn’t mean it’s okay that you hurt me…

    forgiving means I’m okay with moving on.

    I like the image of inviting the offender back to the table. I don’t think there is any need to forget in a way that would place us back in harms way.

    #275591
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    Orson – I really like that. I haven’t seen it on the internet yet, it was new to me. I’m glad you shared it.

    #275592
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    Orson wrote:

    I really like a quote I saw on one of those pictures that float around Facebook:

    Quote:

    Forgiving doesn’t mean it’s okay that you hurt me…

    forgiving means I’m okay with moving on.

    I like the image of inviting the offender back to the table. I don’t think there is any need to forget in a way that would place us back in harms way.

    I like the quote and the image of inviting back to the table. Thanks to both of you.

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