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    I feel like it is time for me to tell a little of my story. Like most of you I was raised lds. I have wonderful parents. My mother is quite strict in her observance. My father was a bishop. I was an obedient child. I made mistakes along the way as we all do. I served a mission. I look back with fond memories but it was not enjoyable. In fact I remember feeling like I had been lied to. I thought it was going to be a great experience. I did not come back and tell everybody it was the best two years of my life. I still have not said that. Nevertheless, I remained active and tried to be humble and loyal. I married and went about life’s struggles. I adore my wife. We have been married 25 years. We have 4 children. I have spent many of those years trying to find happiness. I listened to all the advice and tried to live a righteous life. The harder I tried, the more depressed I got. Going to church was just another reminder of how I was failing. All I could hear was if I was not happy, I was not doing enough. I had to read and pray more. I always had to do more. The one that got me even more depressed was the scripture somewhere in the D&C that said if the kids fail, the sin is upon the head of the parents. I finally broke! I accepted the lie that I was going directly to hell. I honestly did not care. I started to feel a little better when I relaxed some. Because I started feeling better I started going more the other way. I got addicted to many unholy things ( pills, booze and porn). I got right back in the depression stage. And I was ruining the very thing I most cherished – my family. I was finally convinced that I should go to the church’s addiction recovery program. It was there that I finally found Jesus. I thought I had found him before (and I did) but this was deeper and more meaningful. These meetings were the first time I could say what I really believed and nobody really judged. The people there wanted me to succeed but they understood my pain. Those meeting were not so much about church stuff as they were about finding the savior for ourselves.

    I brought up the last part because that is what I think this site can provide me. I can find like minded people who won’t judge me for not believing in certain things like scouting. Or that I don’t believe that there is anything I can do to save myself.

    I still try to live a good life. But, I still have slip ups but I don’t lose as much sleep over it. I have even tried to see if other religions might give me that feeling I search for. For now, the best feelings I get are in this church. However the feelings are few and far between.

    Okay. So that was a long story to get to my question for anybody that reads this. I have come to grips with the fact that JS might have been a con man. I have issues with certain doctrine. I would love to leave this all but I cannot resolve just one thing in particular. How can I leave when I know I have had deep spiritual personal revelation? It had not happened for a long time then one evening about a year back I got another one. It was not about anything other than I was strongly impressed that my sins were forgiven. I could not shake that fantastic feeling for a long time.

    I am just so confused.

    #275973
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    common twit wrote:

    I was finally convinced that I should go to the church’s addiction recovery program. It was there that I finally found Jesus. I thought I had found him before (and I did) but this was deeper and more meaningful. These meetings were the first time I could say what I really believed and nobody really judged. The people there wanted me to succeed but they understood my pain. Those meeting were not so much about church stuff as they were about finding the savior for ourselves.

    Hi, common twit – (Not sure it’s going to be easy to call you that. 😆 ) I’m glad you’re here. This has been a good place for me.

    #275974
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    Is it ok if I call you CT :)

    Welcome to the forum, I’m glad you’re here.

    Don’t beat yourself up about the church not making you happy. There are 7billion people in this world, it’s not possible that the church culture and structure is going to make every person, with all their diversity, equally happy.

    It’s good to hear positive stories about ARP making a difference. I also followed the programme and it helped me too. I’ve recently joined a group again, partly to re-evaluate myself and partly to be supportive to friends who are attending.

    I loved your discussion about the impact of getting to know Jesus and experiencing forgiveness. I don’t fully understand the atonement and the experience of feeling forgiveness. I don’t entirely know what the source of those experiences are. But… I do know that repentance for regrets works and the feeling of forgiveness, especially being able to forgive myself, is amazing.

    As for Joseph/history/Mormon culture etc. this is a great place to discuss things. The ‘history and doctrine’ forum has many threads you could read through to see what else we have discussed before. Feel free to resurrect them by adding your reply.

    I think history’s divide means we’ll never really know what Joseph did and didn’t do. I see many things that he did (or appears to have done) that I oppose. But I also see many of the big picture doctrines that I love and embrace. Can I have one and not the other? I try to. The church culture is too quick to make it an all or nothing decision. I think if they realised that for some members it’s a “something or nothing” option they would go with something. Or some things.

    #275975
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    Glad to have you here!

    Yes, it’s fantastic to be in a group that doesn’t judge….in fact, it’s great to be in any relationship that doesn’t judge. I attended the recovery program for a year and it was a nice environment. I went to a couple AA meetings years ago–probably should have gone to more–and it was astounding how good it felt to be honest, open, and feel the love of others. I’m not one that normally needs that kind of support, but when you have something weighing on you and haven’t been honest, it’s a godsend.

    Some of the things you are contemplating, as said by mackay11, you’ll have to figure out for yourself. But the support of this site and reading about others’ efforts to find their faith will be helpful. It has been to me.

    Alex

    #275976
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    Thanks for the replies. I am just happy that I found out about this place.

    Okay Ann and mackay11 you can call me CT. ;)

    I hope I can learn more about myself here.

    #275977
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    I feel like I always say this in response to introductions, but I’ll say it anyway. You and I have lots in common. I’ve been here only a few months, but I, too, am happy I finally found this place. I look forward to your sharing and to sharing with you. Welcome.

    #275978
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    Welcome!

    common twit wrote:

    How can I leave when I know I have had deep spiritual personal revelation?

    I say this one is easy… don’t leave. :D Really, just because you may learn things that can cause you do do some re-examining and maybe alter your interpretations – that doesn’t mean everything is junk and you should throw out the baby and the bath water.

    I hope you find some good here and everywhere in your future!

    #275979
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    CT – welcome to the site, officially (now that you are posting).

    #275980
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    Yes, welcome.

    Since it’s not as black-and-white as some people think, there really is no reason (that I can tell from this introduction) for you to leave. You might have to adjust your expectations and modify your own personal faith, but leaving doesn’t appear to be necessary to do that.

    #275981
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    Though I’m not as old as you CT, I am a perfectionist and know what you speak of concerning your church experience. I’m not sure why the church has decided to equate more work with more happiness. It seems a little self serving to the organization. Perhaps that helps slackers get moving, but for hard working people pleasers it can be damaging. I’d love to see labels on church statements, like “results will vary”, or “use your common sense” or “not for everybody”.

    One thing I’ve noticed in the LDS community is how much addiction is talked about. I wonder if all the religious guilt and shame plays into developing an addiction? I don’t know if you mind expanding, without going into detail of course, on if my observation is accurate? I”m just starting to feel like religion can do almost as much damage as it can do good depending on the individual. I myself have 2 brother in laws with sexual addictions that have nearly ruined their lives. I worry that the LDS Church’s perfectionism teachings are hurting more than they are helping people and I might take my kids out because of some of the problems I’ve seen.

    With everything you’ve been through I’m glad to hear you got some help through the process and also found the true pure religion of Jesus Christ, which has nothing to do with work, rules or doctrine and everything to do with love and acceptance. Good luck with your journey. Stay LDS is a great community and I don’t comment too much but I sure enjoy reading everyone’s thoughts.

    #275982
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    Welcome to the forum. I am also recovering from similar addictions and also am a perfectionist. I suffer with OCD. I also sometimes wish the church would emphasize Christ’s atonement more than emphasizing our works. Anyway, again welcome to the forum. You’ve probably figured out by now that the forum has tons of interesting viewpoints through tons of diverse people.

    #275983
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    common twit wrote:

    I have issues with certain doctrine. I would love to leave this all but I cannot resolve just one thing in particular. How can I leave when I know I have had deep spiritual personal revelation? It had not happened for a long time then one evening about a year back I got another one. It was not about anything other than I was strongly impressed that my sins were forgiven. I could not shake that fantastic feeling for a long time.

    I am just so confused.

    Welcome common twit. Glad you are posting your story with us.

    I can appreciate your issues you are working through, and processing them considering your personal revelations.

    Are you able to try to separate the issues so they don’t get conflated and confusing and complex? For example, you can see Joseph Smith was called as a prophet AND things he said or did were not God’s will? You can feel God tells you what is good for you AND there are things in the church you just can’t believe are truth?

    The paradoxes often allow great opportunities for learning that you can’t solve some problems with the same level of thinking you were at when you discovered the problems.

    #275984
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    Thanks for the replies everyone. I hesitate to post because when I go back to read it later, it does not read like I intended it to read. Nonetheless, thanks for letting me share my views.

    As for my addictions, which was most just sexual until about seven years ago, I do believe some of it was brought on by church teachings. My porn use probably started back when I was 10 years old. Then a little later, I was molested by a great uncle. So, it was not just church stuff. Later, when I started popping pills, I was just doing it to try to numb my mental anguish. That had nothing to do with religious guilt. That was just me trying to escape.

    #275985
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    common twit wrote:

    Thanks for the replies everyone. I hesitate to post because when I go back to read it later, it does not read like I intended it to read. Nonetheless, thanks for letting me share my views.

    As for my addictions, which was most just sexual until about seven years ago, I do believe some of it was brought on by church teachings. My porn use probably started back when I was 10 years old. Then a little later, I was molested by a great uncle. So, it was not just church stuff. Later, when I started popping pills, I was just doing it to try to numb my mental anguish. That had nothing to do with religious guilt. That was just me trying to escape.

    One of the best things about staylds is no one will hold you to anything you say. You can be steaming with rage one day and be happy as a honey bee the next. We get it.

    The other benefit of that is that “writing crystallizes thought.”

    Sometimes we think we feel a certain way when it’s jangling around in our head. We can’t fully examine pure thoughts.

    Once it’s written (or sometimes spoken) it’s out and more tangible. You can revisit it some time later and decide “yes, that’s really how I feel” or “no, having got it out of my head I realize that’s not entirely representative of what I was feeling.”

    We get that here and won’t hold you to anything. So write away (within forum guidelines) and crystallize those thoughts.

    #275986
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    CT, Thanks for expanding. I hope I didn’t make you feel uncomfortable. I am just not sure I can ask those questions to my brothers-in-law and I have been wondering. I know one of them was sexually abused and I am sure that contributed as well. The other one is older and I’m not sure about his life as much. You have every right to say something and then interpret things differently down the road. I love stayLDS because everybody is very understanding that this is a journey and we don’t need to know everything or have a set plan.

    I read a really good quote I thought I’d share.

    Quote:

    “Understanding the difference between healthy striving and perfectionism is critical to laying down the shield and picking up your life. Research shows that perfectionism hampers success. In fact, it’s often the path to depression, anxiety, addiction, and life paralysis.”

    ― Brené Brown, The Gifts of Imperfection: Let Go of Who You Think You’re Supposed to Be and Embrace Who You Are

    What I truly worry about with my kids is them picking up from the culture that we have to do everything just right. So many of my non LDS friends watch porn, drink, and whatever else they want. Then they move on, without guilt. I’m not trying to turn this into a discussion on what is right or what is wrong, but rather want to point out that they don’t seem to beat themselves up like my LDS male friends who have porn struggles do. I don’t believe I know any LDS men with drinking issues.

    I don’t see how I can teach my kids the difference between healthy striving and perfectionism in a church that teaches if you do ONE THING wrong you need to go talk to the Bishop and face some outward consequences that the group will see. I’m not sure this is what Christ had in mind. I do understand making sure to protect the group we must have disclosure, but there are many levels of sin and some pose the risk of hurting others near as much as others.

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