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November 2, 2013 at 1:35 pm #208130
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GuestSO… As a TBM, I didn’t think I had much confusion.
I don’t know when I started to question, but once I did, I became confused.
As I read through the posts on this forum, my confusion increases.
We are all struggling. We all have different thoughts and beliefs.
Who was it that was recently looking for the “pure” gospel? I mean, we all are, but he had a running list of things that make up the gospel as he sees it.
But I have to ask, if God is not the author of confusion…
Why is the gospel so hard to find?I mean, really and truly. Aren’t we all here because we are looking for that “one thing” (or maybe things) that “click” with us? Aren’t we looking for the truth…the pure gospel that will bring us happiness?
I’m quite sad and just a little scared.
I imagine that if the Savior Himself were here, we would see the pain in His eyes. Surely the gospel isn’t as complicated as maybe we make it out to be. Surely He wants us to understand what He has authored and is offering. Since we are missing the mark, how must He feel?
But when we start talking about what is truth and what isn’t…that’s where the confusion comes in.
If the gospel is simply, “Love others”, then we need no organized religion. We can do that on our own, outside of a church building or organization.
Since we have churches and programs and organizations, there must be a need for them. Perhaps that is where the confusion lies?
Trying to marry the two?
November 2, 2013 at 3:56 pm #276011Anonymous
GuestIt is important when looking at this verse to look at in context. Paul was trying to impose more order in their worship services and was specifying how and when and how many people should prophesy or speak in tongues at any given time. It was specific to the culture of his time. He was trying to teach the people that God cannot speak amid such chaos. I think that Christ’s gospel is simple, but like the Corinthians, we make it overly confusing, complex and complicated. There are many voices and lots of them just want to hear themselves talk.
I spent some time this Summer reading hundreds of near-death experiences. There’s a website where data is being gathered. The descriptions are interesting and there are some interesting consistencies. One, is a feeling of joy and love that is beyond description. There is a sense of a supreme being. Many experience a life-review, but it is not judgmental in nature, and that our life’s purpose is to gain experience. People who have these experiences almost never come back seeking religion, ours or any other. What they are left with is the sense that the most important thing is for us to develop and show greater love to each other, show more kindness, understanding, and forgiveness. I tend to think that this simple idea of love one another, which is Christ’s ultimate message, is really all we are here to do. We are her to aspire to be more like Christ and to develop his pure love, which we call charity. So to better love our friends, family, neighbor, and most importantly our enemy, we need to develop charity.
Is a structured religion necessary for this? No. But is it often beneficial in helping us and encouraging us and reminding us to love one another? absolutely!
November 2, 2013 at 7:20 pm #276012Anonymous
GuestQuote:Why is the gospel so hard to find?
Because we, as humans, tend to build hedges about it – often in our deep need for safety and security. Walking the pure Gospel line can be dangerous, in real ways, so we tend to gravitate away from that danger and substitute the pure Gospel for a safer model – a good rather than a best, if you will.
November 2, 2013 at 9:40 pm #276013Anonymous
GuestOld-Timer wrote:Quote:Why is the
gospel so hard to find?
Because we, as humans, tend to build hedges about it – often in our deep
need for safety and security. Walking the pure Gospel line can be
dangerous, in real ways, so we tend to gravitate away from that danger
and substitute the pure Gospel for a safer model – a good rather than a
best, if you will.
Maybe it’s because each of us must learn it for ourselves and discover it anew.
November 2, 2013 at 11:54 pm #276014Anonymous
GuestI really like that, Sam. November 3, 2013 at 1:46 am #276015Anonymous
GuestQuestion Abound says:
Quote:Why is the gospel so hard to find?
I wish I had the answer to that question. I feel much the way you do, and sometimes I wonder why we have to struggle so much to find the right path. This is such a difficult time for me, and all the rules and checklists we are given seem very unimportant most of the time, but then I feel guilty if I don’t feel like I am doing my best at following them. Having more knowledge than I used to is both a burden and a blessing.
Quote:Surely the gospel isn’t as complicated as maybe we make it out to be. Surely He wants us to understand what He has authored and is offering. Since we are missing the mark, how must He feel?
I guess when I was a TBM I had the way laid out for me, and now I feel that doesn’t hold true anymore. Since I disagree with some of the doctrine we are taught I feel like I am going through the motions oftentimes at church, but not being there makes me feel bad also, like I’m being a slacker.
Blehhhhhhhh! None of it feels good right now. And since my kids are involved too, I have that added burden that if I do things wrong I can be affecting their lives forever also. I feel I’m dragging my child to church because it is important, but then I get there and I wonder why I am there.

One positive though is having this website to go to, so I know I’m not alone and that other people are struggling with similar issues. I do find much that is positive here.
November 3, 2013 at 4:29 am #276016Anonymous
GuestQuestionAbound wrote:But I have to ask, if God is not the author of confusion…
Why is the gospel so hard to find?Excellent question! For me the answer is “because humans author confusion effortlessly and continually!”
😆 I was just listening to a podcast today with the three interfaith Amigos (Mormon Stories) and I think it was the Rabbi that said what I have often thought:
Quote:Revelation may be pure, but the human medium that it must come through [or to] is not, so we will
alwaysmess it up in some way. Pure truth goes against the human grain in one sense, it is perfect and we are not. I think of it like oil and water, we must transform ourselves to become compatible with it. It is important to note that I’m not talking about factual truth, humans can understand facts, I’m talking about transcendent spiritual truths – the deeper things that add meaning to life.
QuestionAbound wrote:I’m quite sad and just a little scared.
…and perfectly human, these feelings just mean you’re doing it right.QuestionAbound wrote:I imagine that if the Savior Himself were here, we would see the pain in His eyes. Surely the gospel isn’t as complicated as maybe we make it out to be.
Yes, I imagine there would be pain, but also deep joy. I imagine he would reflect whatever is in our hearts. I don’t think the gospel needs to be as complicated as we tend to make it, but it can be both simple and of immense depth. Simple in many everyday situations, deep and encompassing as we continue to study, apply, and learn. I think we often try to make it too narrow, and the false narrowness makes it infinitely more complicated and chaotic.
November 3, 2013 at 5:24 am #276017Anonymous
GuestYou ask why we need church, and I don’t have an answer, but I remember sitting in all the churches I went to in Europe and feeling a yearning for them to be filled with parishioners. I didn’t expect it, but I even found myself praying for it. They didn’t need to be LDS, Catholic was just fine. God may not need churches, but maybe we do. I need some structure, some routine, some reminder and purpose. To long on my own with nothing to nudge me isn’t good for me. I forget.
I agree with everyone’s thoughts on the confusion part – that people add to it.
You asked about love – Maybe our religion needs us to be the love it can’t give right now. Robert Rees writes in the book, Why I Stay, that he see’s himself as the conscience of the church. He knows he ruffles feathers, but he also believes he helps people with his view point, and that his middle way approach has helped friends and family both in and out of the church to understand each other. Maybe that’s true for us.
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