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    Hello,

    I’ve been reading staylds for quite sometime. Thought I’d introduce myself. :wave: I’m Eric. I’m 31 years old, married, have 4 living children, live in the greater Seattle area in Washington . My faith journey is similar to many of you here, but I’ll relate it anyways, because I do so love to talk(type?). :)

    Like many I was born into the church, served a mission (Antofagasta, Chile 2001-2003), was married in the temple, and continue participating in my local ward (currently EQ Sec). From the surface, my faith journey appears to have started 2-3 years ago. In reality my journey has been a life long adventure. Suffice it to say I was exposed to various issues prior to my mission. I mostly accepted apologetic answers for them and put them on a shelf. I was able to remain in stage 3 of fowler’s stages. In my mission I had my first serious crisis of faith where I worried the Church wasn’t true. This time, it was through my own study of the scriptures and seeing the paradox contained therein, which made it all the worse, since I couldn’t dismiss it as anti-mormon propaganda. For the first time I stepped fully in stage 4 and felt my world begin to collapse. I considered leaving my mission. What kept me out was a healthy dose of fear: fear I was being misled, fear of what family would think, fear of hellfire and brimstone. So I stayed. With time, I was able to appease my doubt, convince myself that Satan was just trying to deceive me and shelve the issues once again, such that the pain and agony I was feeling dissipated. Somehow I again entered stage 3 of faith. Eventually, I forgot all about it.

    Fast forward a number of years after my mission. I was still faithful, didn’t have any really hard spiritual challenges (though the loss of a child rocked my boat a bit, I still felt somehow it was Gods will), and overall believed fully in the literalness of the church and scriptures. One day, the thought entered my mind…”What if…what if it’s not true?” I had entertained the thought previously, so I’m not sure what made this moment so much different. 6 months prior I remember talking with a co-worker who was trying to convince my that Joseph Smith was a narcissist and a fraud. I declared full of “faith” that nothing he could say would change my mind (which was right at the time, being completely convinced of my own knowledge and testimony). But at this time it made all the difference. Somehow I was able to look at my whole life from a different perspective, one void of the lens of “faith.” For the first time I looked critically at my testimony.

    When I was 14 I attempted to get a testimony, so I could be like everyone else, so full of faith and conviction. I prayed but never truly got an answer. I convinced myself that I didn’t need one because I already knew it was true. I was so desperate for the assurance, for the certainty! Since that experience at 14, over and over I have prayed about truthfulness of the church, just for a confirmation. I have poured my soul out asking God for further light and knowledge. Never, have I received an answer, not even as a missionary with doubt wanting nothing more than to do Gods will. So when I again found myself questioning but this time, convinced I never had a testimony, my whole world did collapse. I was in agony. Never have I been so miserable as those months of doubt and confusion! At this time I was fully in stage 4 and though I didn’t know it at the time, I was fully deconstructing my faith. I’ve heard a lot of people’s stories where they would work their way down one belief at a time. For me, I just jumped all the way to the bottom. I became an instant atheist. If the church wasn’t true, and God wouldn’t answer my prayer knowing how sincere I was and how much I was willing to do anything to know, then God surely must not exist! Atheism for me lasted less than a day. I just couldn’t logically accept that God didn’t exists. So from there I started going over my beliefs little by little, trying to decide what I did and didn’t believe.

    Fast-forward to present day. I’ve come a long way from the total lack of belief. My world was forever changed by my “faith crisis.” It was a catalyst that started my faith transition. Today I’ve reconstructed much of my faith. I live in a world of uncertainty, or as Ray is known to say, I see through a glass darkly. Where at one time I did all I could to expel uncertainty, today I embrace it as a part of life. I like to call myself a pragmatic Mormon. My testimony is experience based. I’ve been greatly influence by the likes of Given’s, England and Wotherspoon. I accept that we each have a unique journey, with different experiences that shape and mould us. Life is the sum of the choices we make. We can choose to believe or not believe as we see fit. In the end, we are responsible for the happiness we get out of life and what we choose to do and believe has a great impact on this. In the end I believe who we become will validate or invalidate the choices we make.

    I choose to believe. I choose to stayLds. That’s my choice.

    I hope to have lots of meaningful discussion with you all! I know there are some very smart people on here. Somethings you just can’t discuss in sunday school…. :)

    Eric

    #276446
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    Welcome to the site! Great introduction. I’m sure you’ll have lots of great insights to add.

    #276447
    Anonymous
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    Quote:

    I choose to believe. I choose to stayLds. That’s my choice.

    Welcome to the forum. Looking forward to your contributions. I especially like the line above.

    #276448
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    Welcome to the forum and thanks for sharing. I, too, am at that “rebuilding” stage after at one point putting it all on the scrap heap and not really believing God even existed. I look forward to hearing (reading) your insights.

    #276449
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    Hearing perspectives from others that have had similar experiences helps give me the strength to continue to discover and blaze my own trail.

    Thanks for sharing your story.

    #276450
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    Eric Merrill wrote:

    Life is the sum of the choices we make. We can choose to believe or not believe as we see fit. In the end, we are responsible for the happiness we get out of life and what we choose to do and believe has a great impact on this. In the end I believe who we become will validate or invalidate the choices we make.

    I choose to believe. I choose to stayLds. That’s my choice.


    Welcome Eric. Wonderfully worded…thanks for sharing your story. This part above especially struck me.

    So…what brings you to the online forum? Do you want to talk openly about this stuff and find you can’t, or some other reason? I’m just curious. :)

    Glad you’re here. I look forward to learning from your posts.

    #276451
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    Thanks for all the warm welcomes! To answer you, Heber, I’m here for two reasons. You nailed the first. I do find I sometimes want to discuss things that would not be appropriate to discuss in Sunday school. Second, when my shelf collapsed, it was online groups like this that helped me work things out. I wish to make friends and be part of this vibrant community. :)

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

    #276452
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    Welcome Eric. It’s amazing to me how similar so many of our stories are, yet they each have a unique quality. Thanks for sharing yours. So sorry to hear about the loss of your child.

    One question, how have you dealt with all of this family and friends?

    #276453
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    Hi Eric,

    Nice to meet you and thank you for sharing your story. Like most of us here I can relate with much of your story, especially sincerely praying for an answer and not receiving one. At least one that was recognizable to me. I just assumed I had done something wrong or lacked faith. I’m glad you’ve found your place in the LDS church. It does give hope that someday I might be able to go back and have a different experience. Welcome!

    #276454
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    writer63 wrote:

    One question, how have you dealt with all of this family and friends?


    Other than my wife, I haven’t “dealt with it.” Earlier on in my faith transition I sometimes felt a desire to share my new faith perspective with family and friend. I felt like doing so would make me feel more authentic. But I never knew how and so never did. Eventually I just got to the point where I thought, “what would I share?” As I became more comfortable with my changed faith, it just became a part of me. Sharing it would be the same as randomly explaining any other part of my story. So I strive to be authentic all the time while being sensitive to others in their journey. I have no doubt others at church are aware that I think differently, but don’t know why or exactly how.

    My poor wife on the other hand was with me during the beginning when I was “adjusting.” On that account I handled it poorly. I didn’t know what to say our how to say it. I made many mistakes and caused way more tension than I needed to. I wish I had a support community like this from the beginning. I’ve read the advice of others here about slowing down, not spilling everything you’re feeling right away, etc, and it’s sound advice. The “crisis” part passes and feelings change. Prudence is best.

    Thanks!

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

    #276455
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    Eric Merrill wrote:

    writer63 wrote:

    One question, how have you dealt with all of this family and friends?


    Other than my wife, I haven’t “dealt with it.” Earlier on in my faith transition I sometimes felt a desire to share my new faith perspective with family and friend. I felt like doing so would make me feel more authentic. But I never knew how and so never did. Eventually I just got to the point where I thought, “what would I share?” As I became more comfortable with my changed faith, it just became a part of me. Sharing it would be the same as randomly explaining any other part of my story. So I strive to be authentic all the time while being sensitive to others in their journey. I have no doubt others at church are aware that I think differently, but don’t know why or exactly how.

    My poor wife on the other hand was with me during the beginning when I was “adjusting.” On that account I handled it poorly. I didn’t know what to say our how to say it. I made many mistakes and caused way more tension than I needed to. I wish I had a support community like this from the beginning. I’ve read the advice of others here about slowing down, not spilling everything you’re feeling right away, etc, and it’s sound advice. The “crisis” part passes and feelings change. Prudence is best.

    Thanks!

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

    I didn’t handle it well with my wife, either, so I know what you’re talking about. I, too, wish I had found this community much sooner and before I did/said some of the things I did. I agree, the crisis does pass and perspectives and feelings do change. Other than here, I don’t share my perspectives either – but I’ve partly learned to do that from advice here and partly because it doesn’t usually have a good outcome anyway. It’s not my purpose to try to convert anyone else to the way I think and I’m certainly not about harming anyone else’s faith.

    #276456
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    Hi, Eric – Glad you’re here. I am a little envious of your decisiveness; you seem to know where you’re going. I’m pretty sure I will never leave outwardly, but I would like to be inwardly more comfortable. Thanks for your intro.

    #276457
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    Welcome, Eric. Thanks for participating.

    I wish I had more, but I have time right now only to catch up and comment briefly.

    #276458
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    Ann wrote:

    I am a little envious of your decisiveness; you seem to know where you’re going. I’m pretty sure I will never leave outwardly, but I would like to be inwardly more comfortable.


    We’re all so different. Yet faith progresses in very predictable ways (at a high level, which is why people like Fowler and Kohlberg’s develop theories about it) that we’re able to relate so well to each other. I think the strength of these communities is in learning to see the incredible differences we have while also seeing how much we are alike, and learning to love and respect them. I know for many people, going slow is the best advice. For me? I’m an all or nothing kind of guy. I tend to be single minded, unable to focus on more than one thing at a time. When my shelf crashed, I was given advice to go slow. I was told I spent 25+ years building my faith and it might take many years to rebuild it. I was told to take one thing at a time. But like others, I don’t work this way. I spent the next few months devouring church history, podcasts, books, forums, etc. I had a goal. I had heroes. I saw others with the type of faith I wanted to emulate and so I went for it. My transition from mostly unbelief to where I am now took around 6 months.

    Ann, I have faith. I understand what that means for the first time in my life. I understand how much I truly don’t KNOW! I lack certain knowledge of most things that would be considered the standard LDS testimony. I have a sure knowledge of the principles of the Gospel that I can experiment on. When I really think about it, this is how it was instantly….from the time my shelf collapsed. I lacked knowledge but had a testimony of practical things. What I wasn’t, was comfortable with this state of being. I hated not knowing! My whole life was built around certainty! As I felt better and better it was because my expectation of having certainty faded. My acceptance of uncertainty grew. I even felt excited that I could believe whatever I wanted to! :O freeeedoooom! I think of the scripture in John where Jesus teaches “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” The truth is uncertainty is and always was required to have faith.

    I’m glad to be here. I Look up to so many of you. And I relate very well. I’m new, but I have many of the same opinions and feelings as many of you. I too, often feel as though there is no oxygen in sunday school. ;)

    #276459
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    Eric Merrill wrote:

    I understand how much I truly don’t KNOW! I lack certain knowledge of most things that would be considered the standard LDS testimony. I have a sure knowledge of the principles of the Gospel that I can experiment on.

    Eric, thanks for sharing…this is really well put.

    And I do think it helps to come to a forum where you can openly express these things to others who understand where you are coming from.

    What are some of the things about the church and gospel that you cling to that you don’t want to throw out? What’s your “taste of choice” at the buffet?

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