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    The group that published the linked article appears to have Mormon ties (not clear in what I could check quickly but likely), so I can’t guarantee accuracy of the linked article, but it is fascinating nonetheless. If it is accurate, it might reshape traditional assumptions radically, so it’s worth sharing, I think.

    Native Americans Have Deep Ancestry in Europe” (http://www.dnaconsultants.com/_blog/DNA_Consultants_Blog/post/native-americans-have-deep-ancestry-in-europe/)

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    When I was a girl my grandmother used to tell me, “Give scientists ten years and they will change their minds.” I know this isn’t a change it’s an addition or more information, and that it has mental shifting capacity, but that was the first thing I thought of when I read it.

    It’s actually exciting news, whether it shifts the BofM struggle or not.

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    Umm… 24,000 years? I don’t think this had any relevant “news” for Book of Mormon DNA issues.

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    Of the 24,000 year-old skeleton that was Exhibit A, Willerslev was quoted in The Siberian Times, as saying, “His DNA shows close ties to those of today’s Native Americans. Yet he apparently descended not from East Asians, but from people who had lived in Europe or western Asia.” He added, “The finding suggests that about a third of the ancestry of today’s Native Americans can be traced to ‘western Eurasia.'”

    http://www.dnaconsultants.com/_blog/DNA_Consultants_Blog/post/native-americans-have-deep-ancestry-in-europe/#sthash.iIAXkNKD.dpuf

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    Those of us who know about the Clovis Culture and Kennewick man find this no surprise. The Sami/Lapp culture of northern Scandinavia is quite similar to the native American in some regards eg their homes and shelters although not in others – reindeer herding for example.

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    SamBee wrote:

    Those of us who know about the Clovis Culture and Kennewick man find this no surprise. The Sami/Lapp culture of northern Scandinavia is quite similar to the native American in some regards eg their homes and shelters although not in others – reindeer herding for example.

    I think you might just be reading the headline. This is DNA from 24,000 years ago.

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    mackay11, I know this is DNA from 24,000 years ago, but that doesn’t mean it might not be huge in terms of demographic understanding if it is true. It really does represent a radical departure from the currently accepted norm.

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    Very interesting Ray. Not sure it’ll help the Apologists at all, though. First, it’s 24,000 years old. Noah’s flood hadn’t even happened yet! :D

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    It’s unfortunate to hear people say there is incontrovertible evidence proving the Book of Mormon can’t be historical. I really don’t understand the impact of this discovery, but we never know what theory might be shattered tomorrow

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    Kumahito wrote:

    Very interesting Ray. Not sure it’ll help the Apologists at all, though. First, it’s 24,000 years old. Noah’s flood hadn’t even happened yet! :D

    Wait, there were people in the Americas before Noah’s flood? What happened to them? Did they drown, or in the immortal words of Bill Cosby, “tread water”?

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    That Cosby skit is one of the best every. 😆 :thumbup:

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    mackay11 wrote:

    SamBee wrote:

    Those of us who know about the Clovis Culture and Kennewick man find this no surprise. The Sami/Lapp culture of northern Scandinavia is quite similar to the native American in some regards eg their homes and shelters although not in others – reindeer herding for example.

    I think you might just be reading the headline. This is DNA from 24,000 years ago.

    No, not at all. The Laps/Sami are people of the Arctic fringe, so they have probably been in and around Europe for a very long time, since the Ice Age no doubt. It wouldn’t surprise if the Basques date back at least ten thousand years. There’s evidence for it being a stone age language.

    Were the first Americans European –

    http://www.pbs.org/saf/1406/segments/1406-4.htm

    Solutrean Hypothesis

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

    Kennewick Man

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man

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