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    Hello All. I can’t express how happy I am to have found this site. I appreciate what I have read already.

    My story: This will probably be similar to many of your stories. I’m a lifelong member of the church in my 50’s. I have an almost 30 year temple marriage to a returned missionary convert and 4 great kids. 2 are active, 2 aren’t. I always loved the church, it’s teachings and the people without question until about 17 years ago. I was searching on the internet for material to plan a lesson (the internet was is it’s infancy then) and I came across material that shook my faith to it’s core. In fact, I wasn’t even sure there is a god. I called my husband and asked him to come home. I told him what was going on without telling him what I had read. We talked for hours and he was amazingly supportive, partly I think because he’s a convert. Long story short, I told him I would keep going to church, mainly for our kids and that I would try to figure things out. It took about 2 years before I worked out a way to stay that worked for me. I have stayed active all these years, have had happy experiences, but those doubts have always lurked below the surface. No one, not even my husband knows this.

    As I’ve gotten increasingly more demanding callings, more has been expected of me to the point that I often feel exhausted. It’s getting harder and harder to keep up the “faithful Mormon” facade. If people knew the truth, they’d be stunned. On top of that, I’m have a harder and harder time reconciling what I know about church history and current actions and teachings. Even so, there are still things I love about the church.

    I’m trying to work up the courage to approach my husband. I’m pretty sure he’ll be supportive, but it’ll be hard for him to accept the way I want to be a Mormon now. It’s such a relief to be able to write this out. I’ve been hiding it for so long! Thanks for giving me a place to begin my coming out process.

    #276629
    Anonymous
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    Thanks for posting your introduction and joining.

    You have an interesting story, and by staying in the church for so long, you probably have some good advice for others on how to make that work for kids or family.

    Have you found some things in your faith that used to be real troublesome to your testimony that worked themselves out, or are you still working them out?

    Glad you’re here!!

    #276630
    Anonymous
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    Your story is similar to mine, but I’m male and I don’t go to church. I understand your feelings – that’s why I stopped going. I, too, am happy I found this forum. I hope you find what you need here and I look forward to your contributions.

    #276631
    Anonymous
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    Welcome. I have little time, but I hope we can help each other on our individual journeys together.

    #276632
    Anonymous
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    I am glad that you have found us and hope we can be a support for each other. I am in my 50s also and can relate to your story. I look forward to hear more from you.

    #276633
    Anonymous
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    I’m interested in know more about how you managed to find your own way in the church, while serving in more and more demanding callings!

    #276634
    Anonymous
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    Thanks for your comments and replies!

    In answer to your questions, I managed to navigate life in the church for so long by focusing on what is good about it (mostly the people and belief in the Savior) and not letting myself think about the other “stuff.” That worked for all this time until now. It’s time for me to be honest with myself and my family now. My husband is out of the country for his work for a few more weeks. I plan to talk to him as soon as he gets back. I’m beginning to suspect he is having some of the same feelings.

    As far as our children, I’ve supported and loved them in their choices, both in and out of the church. I will continue to do that. When 2 of them started leaving the church and living a different way, I was devastated at first and felt like a failure. Then I realized how crazy that was. They’re great kids who have found a way that works for them. They both seem as happy as the 2 who are active. As I posted in the support forum, I still haven’t found a way to break it to my active sons and DIL, but I’m working on it.

    #276635
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    I still haven’t found a way to break it to my active sons and DIL, but I’m working on it.

    Then don’t. Until you find a good way, if you ever do, let them see it naturally and ask you, if that will be easier for them.

    Fwiw, there are some things among my heterodox beliefs that I still haven’t shared with my wife, and we are as close to “soul-mates” as it is possible to be. Being totally honest (which I am) and being totally open (which I am with most things) are two very different things, and I have no desire whatsoever to say or do anything that will hurt her in any meaningful way. That’s just selfish.

    My motto in that regard is:

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    Above all else, do no harm.

    #276636
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    Fwiw, there are some things among my heterodox beliefs that I still haven’t shared with my wife, and we are as close to “soul-mates” as it is possible to be. Being totally honest (which I am) and being totally open (which I am with most things) are two very different things, and I have no desire whatsoever to say or do anything that will hurt her in any meaningful way. That’s just selfish.

    Doesn’t that ever make you feel like you’re keeping something huge and fundamental from her? I feel that way with my DH sometimes.

    #276637
    Anonymous
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    Honestly, no. We know we see some things differently, simply because our personalities and perspectives and backgrounds are different. We have narrowed those differences over the years, but I’m not interested in being exactly alike in any way. We complement each other in important ways, and the differences in our perspectives make up one of those ways.

    Besides, I recognize that I might be spectacularly wrong about some (most) of the things we see differently, so why would I need to share something that might lead to her losing what works for her really well and might, ultimately, be wrong?

    #276638
    Anonymous
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    Old-Timer wrote:


    Besides, I recognize that I might be spectacularly wrong about some (most) of the things we see differently, so why would I need to share something that might lead to her losing what works for her really well and might, ultimately, be wrong?

    This :)

    And welcome to the forum. I can’t imagine having to go through this experience for many years alone. I’m glad you found us.

    #276639
    Anonymous
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    I’m a “do no harm” person, too. It’s not my role to weaken or destroy anyone else’s faith and I have no desire to do so. I could be just as wrong as I think they are. Likewise, while I enjoy being able to anonymously share my thoughts, feelings,and beliefs here, I do not share them at all outside of here. I will to the right person (sincerity in concern is key) share some of my doubts but very vaguely, and I’ve learned from here how important it is to remain vague about those questions and doubts.

    #276640
    Anonymous
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    The key for me is that I’ve spent decades learning what I personally believe and how to share that in orthodox terms. Thus, by this point, I’m not sharing doubts; rather, I’m sharing different perspectives. That allows me to share things from a positive stance (“I believe . . .” or “I love looking at things from all kinds of perspectives, and one that I like is . . .” or “I have a friend who told me . . . and I thought that was an interesting view.”) and not a position of defense or attack. Since I’ve learned to frame my comments in that way, I can say a lot of things that cause reflection and real consideration (or, at least, that people can shrug off but still accept me) that would get rejected if phrased differently.

    People generally attend church to be uplifted, comforted and enriched. They don’t go there to doubt, feel unease or perceive threats. There is a time and a place for everything, and church can be a time and place to hear differing opinions but shouldn’t be a place to have them presented in a way that can shake or harm. At the root of it all, church is about community / communal worship, not individuality / individual exploration – so I try always to express my individual beliefs in ways that will not do damage to the community. Most of all, I try to participate in the explicitly communal, non-doctrinal aspects of my religion (service, Home Teaching, general organizational support, etc.) so I am seen as a friend and not someone who only shows up on Sunday to argue about doctrine.

    Again, I’ve had years to hone that skill, so my first advice, always, is to slow down and start seeing things as less of a “crisis” and more of a “transition”. Changing the paradigm works better than “kicking against the pricks” – and my sense of humor absolutely loves that wording, given our modern interpretation of that last word. ;)

    #276641
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    writer63 wrote:


    I’m trying to work up the courage to approach my husband. I’m pretty sure he’ll be supportive, but it’ll be hard for him to accept the way I want to be a Mormon now. It’s such a relief to be able to write this out. I’ve been hiding it for so long! Thanks for giving me a place to begin my coming out process.

    Hi, writer 63 – Glad you’re here. I’ll be really interested to hear more of your story. How would you describe the way you want to be now? And I agree about feeling relieved….

    #276642
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    As far as our children, I’ve supported and loved them in their choices, both in and out of the church. I will continue to do that. When 2 of them started leaving the church and living a different way, I was devastated at first and felt like a failure. Then I realized how crazy that was. They’re great kids who have found a way that works for them. They both seem as happy as the 2 who are active.

    Two of my children are no longer involved in church, and I was also devastated and felt like a failure. I wondered why other people’s children seemed so right on the mark as far as church goes, but not mine, but there are reasons they aren’t going that I have no control over, and I am learning to be accepting of those choices and no longer feel like I have failed them. They are their own people. In fact, they seem happier outside of church. When I felt like our eternal salvation was on the line as a family, previously, it was scary and crushing to me, but I no longer have the same rigid believes about that and am much more at peace. So it seems we have had a few of the same experiences.

    Welcome to the group and I look forward to reading more about your experiences.

    : ) Harmony

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