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November 15, 2013 at 6:09 pm #208186
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GuestIf moderators don’t like this post, feel free to take it down…but with all the talk about financial transparency, there are some fragmented financial statement data in Canada — the church, I believe, must report its financial position by law. At one time, I was able to look up the financial statement for each Ward in all of Canada.
You can see the balance sheet and income statement here….
November 15, 2013 at 8:30 pm #276702Anonymous
GuestWhy would we take it down? I can’t think of any reason. It’s very interesting that expenditures were significantly higher in Canada than revenue was. I wouldn’t have guessed that, and it’s not something I’ve ever heard critics mention. Usually, they talk about how high the revenue is, but they never compare it to expenditures. They also use Canadian revenue and assets to estimate global revenue and assets, but they never use net revenue from Canada to estimate global net revenue. (They shouldn’t make that comparison, but it’s interesting to see how they do make comparisons that work for their arguments while ignoring those that don’t work.)
November 16, 2013 at 1:15 am #276703Anonymous
GuestOld-Timer wrote:. (They shouldn’t make that comparison, but it’s interesting to see how they do make comparisons that work for their arguments while ignoring those that don’t work.)
It goes both ways.
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November 16, 2013 at 2:22 am #276704Anonymous
GuestAbsolutely, cwald. 🙂 November 16, 2013 at 11:25 am #276705Anonymous
GuestTwo comments a) You will notice that the church received VERY large sums of money from an outside donor (line 4510 for $151.8 Million) They also transferred a huge chunk of this money to “qualified donees” (line 5050 $112 Million).
There is a discussion on another site that indicates the church moves money around , through different countries. I also read this in Mormon America (a book on the church that was popular years ago). In this case, they appeared to have moved money out of US Church operations (the outside donor in line 4510), temporarily to Canada, and then to a foreign country (a qualified donee?, line 5050).
Perhaps this is an example of US operations funding poorer international operations? They move the money through Canada due to its ability to receive funds, and transfer funds to foreign countries more easily than can be accomplished directly from America?
I am not criticizing, but this transferring of funds makes it harder to understand the financial statements as it doesn’t show the financials associated with money generated and spent only within Canada.
I might work on reassembling the data to show this….
b) If you check out their short term financial position..in their balance sheet, it shows the church is well off in Canada.
Short terms assets (that can be liquidated in a year) are roughtly 91 million. Short term liabilities are about 23 Million (roughly). This means the church has four times the money it needs to handle its short term obligations. I got these figures from simply adding up the items in the balance sheet that can be liquidated in one year (current assets) or must be paid in one year (current liabilities).
c) Also, has a very strong balance sheet overall — lots of assets, mostly in buildings and short-term cash on hand, and almost no debt.
So, even if we don’t know the specific donors and donees behind the financial statements, there is no question the church has a lot of cash around.
November 16, 2013 at 4:07 pm #276706Anonymous
GuestQuote:there is no question the church has a lot of cash around.
Yep, and I personally have no problem with that, given how much it costs to build and maintain its capital assets. I would rather have the Church have more available funds than absolutely necessary and avoid debt, even in times of financial recess or depression, than to be in debt or unable to fund important things when needed.
I think it is completely reasonable to differ in opinion about how the Church spends its corporate funds and whether or not it should be more transparent about the use of its non-profit funds, but, for me, absolute financial stability is a different issue – especially given our history of lacking it in the past.
November 16, 2013 at 8:01 pm #276707Anonymous
GuestSilentDawning wrote:Two comments
a) You will notice that the church received VERY large sums of money from an outside donor (line 4510 for $151.8 Million) They also transferred a huge chunk of this money to “qualified donees” (line 5050 $112 Million).
I’m not sure why the CRA site doesn’t shown the info anymore but last year when I was looking at the Church’s info on the site it gave more detailed info.
IIRC the outside donors are transfers from the individual units (wards & branches) and the qualified donee was BYU. So most of the Canadian tithing goes to the Y.
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