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    So I’ve been blessed to be in a YSA ward where there aren’t too many extremists. Soon there will be even less as they all seem to be marrying each other, but I digress. I’ve had a lot of anger and bitterness from past experiences in the church in general that has clouded my view and understanding of the members in my ward, but I feel I’ve been able to work on that slowly and I can feel more peace in my heart and mind. However, I still feel suspicious about their true intentions when I’m asked to do something.

    This past Sunday the missionaries, who are honestly awesome guys who unfortunately have had to put up with me and my questions, and my elder’s quorum president sat me down for a chat during Sunday School hour. Call it an intervention if you will. My EQP is new to the ward so I don’t know much about him, but he opened up a bit and shared some insights into his life. He has bipolar disorder (I say “has bipolar disorder” instead of “is bipolar” because it’s an illness, not the person’s identity) and so he could relate to my depression and anxiety. He also came home early from his mission due to mental illness. His wife died a few years ago, but he has fortunately been able to find peace with that and is currently engaged. Anyway, they focused on how I need to forgive myself for coming home early from my mission for medical reasons and move on and how I’m needed in the ward. While they have a valid point, I have been able to move on from that and come to grips with coming home early as time has passed. I’ve learned that God and Christ honestly don’t care about the length of your mission or even if you went. They care about YOU as an individual.

    The missionaries know some of my doubts and struggles with the church and while my EQP didn’t say anything about them, I’m sure they’ve relayed them to him. This whole meeting culminated in “We need you, we need your talents and skills, your energy, your help, etc. The church needs you. The Lord needs you.” While I know there are definitely things I can do that would help others, I can’t help but have this sneaking suspicion that they feel that if I become more active at church then all my doubts and questions will disappear and I’ll “submit” myself to the will of the church. In my personal opinion, I feel that many members equate the will of the church with the will of God. While I think they intertwine more often than not, I don’t think they’re 100% the same.

    I’m not sure if I’m making any sense of just rambling. I’m just afraid to get more involved because I hear and read stories and experiences of people who sound like they go through church “faking” that they are 100% TBM because they don’t want to have to deal with the repercussions that come from having questions and doubts. I don’t mean that to sound like I’m insulting those people, I just don’t want to have to fake it. I want to believe what I want to believe and I want others to respect me for it without tearing me apart because I’m not 100% in line with what an apostle said 60 years ago or something. At the same time, if being a TBM is what they truly believe and it’s work for them, I’m OK with that. I’m all for believing whatever works for you and helps you become a better and happier person and helps you draw closer to God and the Savior. And if you don’t believe in Them, that’s OK with me too! I know, I’m apostate 😆

    Am I wrong in being suspicious?

    #277645
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    Are you wrong? Maybe, maybe not. Pres. Uchtdorf did tell us there is room for us in the church,and that we each have talents and things to share is one of the reasons. A between the lines of that talk is indeed that as we become more active there would be less doubts. I don’t think these guys were wrong in their approach – it is actually hard to make the case that we need the church, but the church does need us (or at least all of the volunteer labor we provide).

    My advice: Do what you’re comfortable with, not what you feel pressured to do. You’ll be happier that way.

    #277646
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    No. I dont think you are wrong to be suspicious.

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    #277647
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    I get suspicious sometimes too. Sometimes people do have alterior motives. I try not to let that bother me. I try to absorb their fellowship, friendship, help, and free food offerings and am deliberately tone deaf about any hints that I should change (this isn’t much of a stretch for me as I’m not big into hints in the first place).

    I have experienced anxiety too. Before it happened to me, I was very much of the opinion that we control our own destiny and that depressed people just needed to be more positive. Funny how the whole world shifts with a change in perspective. I am glad that you have some people around you that can understand to a degree.

    They sound pretty genuine. We need each other. Church or no church, no man is an island.

    #277648
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    “Wrong” to be suspicious? No.

    “Wrong” about their motivations? Honestly, based on your description, I think so – quite strongly.

    My very blunt impression:

    These are loving people who sincerely want you to be happy and involved. You have a chance to interact with someone who appears to understand you based on being like you in some important ways. Don’t rebuff that or lose the chance for real help at the local level. Some people here would give a lot to have that. Take it for what it appears to be; be grateful for their concern and apparent real love; do what you feel comfortable doing, and retain the right to say “yes” or “no” based on your own agency.

    Those things don’t need to be mutually exclusive. You can appreciate good people without giving up control of your own life. If you try to do either one exclusively, it will lead to problems, so try to do both.

    #277649
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    I don’t think they have impure motives. People who ask others to help and serve others are the salt of the earth.

    I do believe some members just want to report in a meeting that they “got someone to commit”, and you have to be suspicious of that. Some want to see the church be successful and see the members as tools to make that happen.

    My stake president fell into these categories when he visted recently. I didn’t feel an ounce of caring about us personally…His motives were to a) be able to tell a soon to be visiting apostle he ministered to less actives b) ferrett out any policy violations regarding attending wards outside the stake c) let us know he was watching whether we sold our house to determine if our work had moved us to a new city, as we had indicated d) try to get us to have temple recommends and e) make sure my daughter gets to seminary. Although he seemed to ahve some concern for my daughter in attending seminary (or was he just getting his numbers up?), I felt zero spirit of love for us as adults.

    Anyway, do what you are comfortable with. Don’t be afraid to claim your free agency and tell them what level of involvement you want right now. And keep working on your doubts until you feel at peace. Then it will become clear how you want to serve.

    #277650
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    Thanks everyone! I agree with what Ray says about their motives most likely being pure and sincere. I just had that small nagging suspicion. I think with my EQP that with everything he’s gone through, he really gets things. Plus he’s in grad school for psychology with the intent of becoming a psychologist. That’s always a bonus :D

    I do need to find out how much I’m willing to serve though and draw boundaries. I’ve seen too many people stretched to the max and beyond and I don’t want to become that way not just because it doesn’t lead to a spiritually fulfilling life, but because I know what it’ll do to me emotionally.

    I wonder if I’ll always have a little part of me that’s suspicious, but I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing. If I didn’t feel that, then I’d go back to doing what I’ve done in the past which obviously didn’t work for me. But I have to keep it in check otherwise I won’t take advantage of the opportunities to grow. I’ve been studying service and charity since this little meeting and trying to set some goals for myself. One was that I wanted to start hometeaching again, as crazy as that may sound. I want someone to focus on outside of myself. And I’m not talking the once a month teaching a quick lesson thing. Heck, I’m honestly totally fine with not giving a spiritual thought. I just want to help someone because I know that in turn the interaction will help me. Call me cheesy but I want someone who I can be surprise blessing to when they’re struggling.

    I asked a friend of mine how the church helped her to become more Christlike and/or develop more Christlike attributes and her answer was service. I’ve been thinking about that a lot and while I like her answer, I feel it’s limited. I think there are above average opportunities within the church to serve, but a lot of it is focused on serving other members. What about the mass majority of humanity who isn’t Mormon? So I’ve decided to sign up to volunteer at a food kitchen. It’s not much, but it’s a start. The way I see it, we’re all human beings and we’re all in the same boat and on the same team. Except members of Congress, but that’s an entirely different topic 🙄

    #277651
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    chills31 wrote:

    While I know there are definitely things I can do that would help others, I can’t help but have this sneaking suspicion that they feel that if I become more active at church then all my doubts and questions will disappear and I’ll “submit” myself to the will of the church. In my personal opinion, I feel that many members equate the will of the church with the will of God. While I think they intertwine more often than not, I don’t think they’re 100% the same.

    Hi, chills31 – I’m glad you’re here. You have to set your boundaries and make your own judgments, but I’ll just add that helping others is “it” for me at church right now. While I was just typing a disheartened comment (about the polygamy article on lds.org), someone called asking me for some help tomorrow. I can do that.

    #277652
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    chills31 wrote:

    I feel it’s limited. I think there are above average opportunities within the church to serve, but a lot of it is focused on serving other members. What about the mass majority of humanity who isn’t Mormon? So I’ve decided to sign up to volunteer at a food kitchen. It’s not much, but it’s a start.

    :thumbup:

    #277653
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    chills31 wrote:

    What about the mass majority of humanity who isn’t Mormon? So I’ve decided to sign up to volunteer at a food kitchen. It’s not much, but it’s a start. The way I see it, we’re all human beings and we’re all in the same boat and on the same team.

    My thoughts exactly. I serve in the community (as everyone is WELL aware now), and I’m there because I want to be there. I rarely do anything out of cultural expectations or duress — i do it because I want to.

    And I think that much of what passes for service to mankind is simply service to the church. Chapel cleaning, some forms of missionary work, a certain portion of tithing payments, setting up chairs etcetera.

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