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    Unknown’s post here, especially this paragraph reminded of the symbols I see in the Endowment parable:

    Unknown wrote:

    I have come to see the endowment, and all the ordinances, not as requirements for a future exaltation, but as a powerful metaphor for growth, and even enlightenment. It is interesting to imagine each personality in the presentation as being just another phase of me, within myself. So, at this point, as I piece together my faith, I am not currently paying tithing (to the church). It’s not to say that I never will, I just don’t feel like I would be doing it with a pure heart, like I did before. So I am missing the temple, and I would like to go. But I guess now is not the time, if ever.

    I love this post and fully agree, especially with this last paragraph. I see the temple, especially the endowment, as an allegory or parable. I see myself both in Eve and in Adam. I see myself in the stages of creation, in the stages of awareness and knowledge.

    The temple prep manual states(emphasis added):

    Quote:

    In a symbolic way, the teachings and rituals of the temple take us on an upward journey toward eternal life, ending with a symbolic entrance into the presence of God. The characters depicted, the physical setting, the clothing worn, the signs given, and all the events covered in the temple are symbolic.


    http://www.lds.org/manual/endowed-from-on-high-temple-preparation-seminar-teachers-manual/lesson-5-learning-from-the-lord-through-symbols?lang=eng

    Elder Packer said(emphasis added):

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    If you will go to the temple and remember that the teaching is symbolic, you will never go in the proper spirit without coming away with your vision extended, feeling a little more exalted, with your knowledge increased as to things that are spiritual. The teaching plan is superb. It is inspired. The Lord Himself, the Master Teacher, taught His disciples constantly in parables—a verbal way to represent symbolically things that might otherwise be difficult to understand.


    https://www.lds.org/ensign/2010/10/the-holy-temple?lang=eng

    I recently wrote the following on my blog:

    When I spent time in the Salt Lake and then Manti temples experiencing a live acting session rather than the temple film depiction of the creation and Adam and Eve experience I’d always experienced before, I realised more than ever before that, like a play, this was a series of lessons and symbols of our life.

    I believe that in trying to imagine ourselves as Adam and Eve we can also imagine them as us. It’s our story, our journey. Seeing the progress of the rooms in some of the early temples, especially the world room in Manti temple just further re-enforced how much this is a symbol of the latter days and our own lives.

    I sometimes hear people talk about the Endowment/Adam and Eve story historically and technically and it seems to miss the point. I’m absolutely fine with the notion that they could also be historically ‘real’ people. I’m also fine if they aren’t. They can be both. But I think they are more important as symbols than historical figures. If they aren’t ‘real’ then I’m even fine with them being taught as ‘real’ anyway, because that gives them much greater presence in religious teaching than fictional people in parables.

    Here are some of the allegorical principles I take from the story:

    Gathering matter unorganised and creating planet earth: our conception, the creation of our bodies

    Separating water and land: my body growing in darkness, growing in the womb

    Separating the light from the darkness: birth, coming into the light of the world

    Initial innocence in the Garden: Spirit world and/or early innocence of childhood

    Eve eating the apple: the active and positive choice to live a mortal life that would result in all of us (male and female) experiencing the challenges, struggles, joys and delights of life.

    Adam eating the apple: perhaps Christ being willing to also join us on earth. Also our potential roles (both as males and females) in being leaders and teachers to other people (male and female).

    **I can fully appreciate the concerns that some female members have about the apparent submissiveness expected in the temple. When taken as literal covenants I would also squirm if I were in your position. Given I consider them to only be symbolic I also see myself as Eve. I think we should see ourselves as Adam AND Eve.**

    Leaving the garden: Beginning of accountability. 8-years old perhaps (or 12, or adulthood… depending on your perspective).

    From Baptism onwards we start making covenants. Ezra Taft Benson taught about some of the covenants we make in the temple: “…law of obedience and sacrifice, the law of the gospel, the law of chastity, and the law of consecration.”

    At baptism we also make covenants of sacrifice and obedience. We sacrifice our old self, including a final sacrifice of the pre-mortal self we might have had a distand memory of at infancy. We make a covenant of obedience. It’s one of my favourites. It’s a covenant of service.

    After baptism we go on to make further and ongoing covenants at the sacrament. These two covenants are Aaronic priesthood ordinances. Preparatory ordinances from a preparatory priesthood. Part of an ongoing commitment to learn and live the gospel of Jesus Christ. A gospel that is, again, centered on love and service.

    The later interactions with other priesthood figures remind me of Melchizedek priesthood ordinances and marriage commitments. The covenant of chastity relating to that marriage is one I appreciate and keep.

    I take the signs and token as symbols of some of the stages of life and the priesthood ordinances that act as markers along the way. I think the symbol of not sharing them represents the idea that only I can make those covenants with God for myself. I can’t make them for anyone else and no-one else can take my covenants from me. The tokens are, for me, a minor part of the bigger story of who I am. Their source was a little organic and not in the originals, so I don’t get too hung up on them. They were, and perhaps in future will be, an organic, evolving, changing aspect. Just like the whole endowment.

    While discussing the Endowment:

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    “Bro[ther] Joseph [Smith] turned to me [Brigham Young] and said: “Brother Brigham this is not arranged right, but we have done the best we could under the circumstances in which we are placed, and I wish you to take this mat[t]er in hand and organize and systematize all these ceremonies with the signs, tokens, penalties and key words.” I did so and each time I got something more; so that when we went through the Temple at Nauvoo, I understood and knew how to place them there. We had our ceremonies pretty correct.”


    http://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V20N04_35.pdf” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V20N04_35.pdf

    Eventually we have a direct interaction with God. This is also a symbol of my growing self. An initial need to have other people lead me towards God, culminating in me being able to eventually move on from that dependency. The moment at the veil is, in a way, me reaching my independent relationship with God. The temple is a parable for us growing to a stage of not needing or relying on other people to be able to interact with the heavens. That moment teaches me that eventually I will need to reach an independence from church leaders, church structure and interact with God directly.

    This is why I like the endowment, regardless of its source. This is why I see it as a parable, an allegory and I see myself in all of it.

    #279392
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    I agree with you, mackay. The temple is a wonderful place to be. Everything there, especially the endowment, is symbolic. I believe that Adam and Eve, but maybe them partaking of the forbidden fruit was symbolic of them doing something else required to become mortal.

    #279393
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    Great post Mac, one of the best I’ve seen on the endowment.

    I’d like to see the live version myself, as a play is never the same twice unlike a film.

    There is an excellent rabbinical commentary on the Adam and Eve story, which says that the first real sin was not eating the fruit, but deliberately lying about it afterwards. I don’t think that’s properly covered in the film. When they lied, they knew what they were doing unlike before.

    #279394
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    I hope I can get this over, without giving too much away.

    First room (film)

    * Pre-existence – the natural footage, the setting of the stage. God is a given fact.

    * Birth – the sleep and awakening

    * Childhood – the garden, a gradual awareness of environment and others. We experience evil without knowing what it is. God is accepted.

    * Adolescence – gaining responsibility, wise and malicious counsel. Evil gets driven away by wisdom. God’s position is further from us thanks to bad advice. Worship begins.

    Second room

    * Adulthood and the beginning of real awareness of death and frailty.

    * Marriage

    * Use of our faculties for others, true worship of God.

    Veil

    * Our equivalent of the Book of the Dead – death, we return to God

    * Progeny and descendants

    Celestial Room

    * Afterlife – here we grow and try and discover things for ourselves in a better environment.

    #279395
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    Love it, mackay11. I like the detail.

    I see the signs/tokens/keywords, which I will just call “symbols” as very simply representing our adherence to our “covenants”… In other words, we learn what is right and we determine to live righteously. Our decision to live a god-centered life, however you want to define it, is represented in the covenants that we make… and we have these associated symbols that go along with it all.

    There are two times in the rite that we approach God… We seek him in prayer and soon after, we meet him at the threshold of his spiritual and glorious realm. In both cases, we demonstrate that we have these symbols (representing our living a god-centered life). In order to enter the presence of God and into a state of contentedness, joy, peace, etc (and this could mean at the end of our lives, or simply at any time in life), we symbolically show that we are living righteously (god-centered), which to me is represented by demonstrating the symbols that went with the “covenants”.

    #279396
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    Great insights! I think it all really does lead to that last bit here:

    mackay11 wrote:


    Eventually we have a direct interaction with God. This is also a symbol of my growing self. An initial need to have other people lead me towards God, culminating in me being able to eventually move on from that dependency. The moment at the veil is, in a way, me reaching my independent relationship with God. The temple is a parable for us growing to a stage of not needing or relying on other people to be able to interact with the heavens. That moment teaches me that eventually I will need to reach an independence from church leaders, church structure and interact with God directly.

    This is why I like the endowment, regardless of its source. This is why I see it as a parable, an allegory and I see myself in all of it.

    mackay11 wrote:


    I sometimes hear people talk about the Endowment/Adam and Eve story historically and technically and it seems to miss the point. I’m absolutely fine with the notion that they could also be historically ‘real’ people. I’m also fine if they aren’t. They can be both. But I think they are more important as symbols than historical figures. If they aren’t ‘real’ then I’m even fine with them being taught as ‘real’ anyway, because that gives them much greater presence in religious teaching than fictional people in parables.

    I think the same could be said of all the characters in all scripture as well. The only value they have to me is symbolic, and the scriptures have really opened up to me once I stopped looking at it literally, in ways I never could have expected. Even if some/all of it is literal, it only matters if there is also a symbolic/relevant meaning. Nephi’s admonition to liken the scriptures to ourselves sets the stage for this nicely, and I think the Sunday school lessons, although taught literally, really do focus on how it relates to each of us personally. I think people take it much more seriously when it is taught literally, otherwise, what’s the difference between the scriptures and the script for Star Wars? That’s probably why the church is presented from a stage 3 perspective.

    #279397
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    I’m not sure I would ever have come to any of these ideas on my own, but I love them. Thanks so much for sharing your ideas.

    #279398
    Anonymous
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    I have been to live sessions in Salt Lake, and while I wouldn’t call it acting it does help me concentrate more what’s being said as opposed to what’s on the screen.

    #279399
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    It’s funny I was just thinking about the parable-ness/symbolism of the temple today. I hadn’t come to where you are. Pretty cool stuff. I do find that “matter unorganized” pops into my head a lot. I see multiple applications for that phrase in life. Making order, purpose, usefulness out of things. That’s good stuff. I also find that some days I’m Adam, and some days I’m Eve. I can’t guarantee which one will happen when.

    #279400
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    Thank you. I really like this.

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