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January 26, 2014 at 1:34 am #208414
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GuestLately I’ve had a few thoughts that have occurred to me as I’ve been reading the scriptures and praying and I wanted to run them by you guys to see what you thought. 1) Matthew 25: 31-46. We talk about how charity is possibly the greatest attribute we can develop in this life. When I read these verses, I feel like a large part of our judgement with Christ will be based on how we treated each other, how much charity we displayed and developed. What do you think? In my limited experience as an EMT, most of the calls I’ve gotten were for routine transfers (dialysis patients or doctor appointments) or 911 calls for things as relatively insignificant as a hangnail. While the “routine” calls or the “BS” calls can sometimes be frustrating, I try to be as friendly and polite to the patient as I can. In regards to the 911 calls, while you do get some serious ones, I always try to view the experience from the patient’s perspective. A hangnail to me may be nothing, but it may be the worst day of their life. So I try to be kind, patient, and understanding of them and what they’re going through. I feel that reading these verses confirmed to me my plans to go to paramedic school in the future. I want to do something where I feel that I’ve made somewhat of a difference in people’s lives.
2) Matthew 7:23. While the KJV says “I never knew you,” the JST says “You never knew me.” (For some reason, the JST of this verse isn’t in the actual handheld scripture editions that I have. I had to go to lds.org and find it.) I wonder how much of this life is supposed to be spent in trying to get to know the Savior. And not just know about Him and know about His character, but actually know what He’s like, know what His character is. And then trying to get our lives to reflect that so we can develop the same character. I see it as a tie in with the previous verses I mentioned. Thoughts?
3) One of the paths in my faith crisis evolved in the following way. I found out about the City Creek mall and complex, which made me wonder 1. what Christ’s church was doing building it and 2. how is it being funded. That then evolved into a question about tithing, which I think I’ve finally resolved between myself and the Lord after a lot of lurking on forums here. Before that was resolved though I then started to have doubts about the leaders of the Church, if they were actually prophets, apostles, seers, and revelators, or if they were just a bunch of businessmen. While I’m still working through these issues, I have come across several forums that mentioned 2 Nephi 28, Mormon 8, and D&C 85: 7-8. I’m not saying the Church is in apostasy, but these verses did reassure me that we’re all human, we all make mistakes, none of us are infallible, that the Church may be a vessel for the gospel it has a lot of man-made parts and therefore a lot of problems, and that at the Second Coming the first thing Christ is going to do is cleanse (or purge, depending on how you want it to sound
🙂 ) the Church. I’m beginning to realize that while a lot of what goes on in the Church frustrates me to no end, a lot of it isn’t in my stewardship. The condition and orientation that my heart and spirit are in is though. So I just need to focus on me and do what I can do to help improve things around me. Thoughts?4) D&C 76:79 “These are they who are not valiant in the testimony of Jesus.” What does this mean? I’ve been taught my whole life in the Church that one of the requirements to enter the Celestial Kingdom was baptism in the Church. What about those who aren’t members of this Church but still have a testimony of Christ? I think this will be resolved in the next life. But I see many members of many other religions still going to the Celestial Kingdom just because they believed in Christ and had faith in Him in this life. Contrast that with many members of the Church who feel that all they have to do is focus on the outwards appearance and the “Mormon checklist.” At the same time, what about those who are righteous, spiritual people who don’t necessarily worship Christ? I’m not trying to pick on anyone or any belief, but a lot of Asian beliefs come to mind. I’m still trying to process all this, but I think even then it’s just because they don’t necessarily know about Christ. I don’t know, I’m still working on this
🙂 . I wonder though, could entry into the Celestial Kingdom be a bit easier than we have been led to believe, based on whether we believed in Christ and who He was and stayed true to that belief? Btw, I believe in the concept of eternal progression, that there is a ton of time between the resurrection and the judgement where we can still progress towards higher kingdoms than if we were just judged based off of this life. Once we’ve progressed as far as we want to, then we’ll go where we want to. God will always want us to come back to Him, but we choose where we go.5) The God Who Weeps by Terryl and Fiona Givens is freaking awesome!!!! Seriously, that should become the 5th standard work. I have big challenges with depression and anxiety and have always been unable to see God (and Christ) as a loving Being who hurts when I hurt and who cares about me so much that even in His infinite power, might, and glory He still weeps over me. It wasn’t until I read this book that I have been able to start to see Him this way and it has made a huge impact on me not only spiritually, but emotionally as well.
January 26, 2014 at 6:56 am #279436Anonymous
GuestA few thoughts on 1,4 & 5: 1) Yes, one of my new favourite sets of verses. It specifically says he will gather “all nations” not just Christian nations. My faith transition has lead me to the position of believing that many good structures/philosophies/religions lead us to do good. This service is the qualifier, in this parable, for eternal life. I see all our commandments, covenants and programs as leading us to this ultimate aim. If there are any that don’t (and an imperfect church means some won’t) then I’m happy to not apply them.
4) I believe that being part of the “church of the lamb” extends beyond Christianity. I had a friend while living in china who followed Confucianism and Taoism. He was one of the most humble and “Christlike” people I’ve ever met. I believe he’s been taught the gospel of the lamb through a different source and will be just fine in the eternities.
I believe that baptism is a commitment to do good (that’s the baptismal covenant). It’s the keeping of the covenant not the making of it that “saves” us.
Baptism for the dead is another act of service for someone. I believe it’s the offering of that option, not their acceptance of it, that matters most.
5) Yes! Life changer for me. That’s all I need to say.
January 26, 2014 at 3:23 pm #279437Anonymous
GuestIf God is love and all the law and the prophets hang on love, I believe our ultimate condition will depend on loving we become. That also serves as the foundation of all being saved and exalted no matter their religious orientation in this life.
Combine that with 1 Corinthians 13, and read it as a description of God. Powerful paradigm changer for me.
February 5, 2014 at 2:54 am #279438Anonymous
GuestThank you for sharing these thoughts, chills31. February 5, 2014 at 3:40 am #279439Anonymous
GuestReally great ideas, chills31. I love the teaching of charity. It is kind of the only thing that when I read about someone living it makes me feel anything spiritual. In my mind, this ties in with your comments about other religions. I think anything that leads people to being charitable is good. So any religion, or any secular teaching or philosophy that does that I would support. I only have a hope in Christ, but if he is real, I would think he is behind any of those good ideas where ever they come from, since that is what he taught and the scriptures say his love is charity. Any person who is advancing in charity would be someone I would expect him to receive into heaven. I also hope, as you do, that there would be progression after death, and everyone will end up satisfied with where they are and what they have obtained.
That D&C scripture about those who are not valiant in their testimonies, that set off a panic attack in seminary for me one day. As my seminary teacher read that part and discussed it, my mind went to my grandmother who had been baptized a Mormon, but had not been active or followed many of the rules. She had recently died and the thought of not being with her in heaven was so sad. But then I had a really strong negative feeling, that I thought was the spirit, and if it was I would assume that meant this teaching is not correct. I hope so, it doesn’t make sense to me that good people would be punished in the next life. If God is truly merciful, then I would expect his mercy to be greater than we can comprehend.
February 5, 2014 at 3:53 pm #279440Anonymous
GuestCurtis wrote:If God is love and all the law and the prophets hang on love, I believe our ultimate condition will depend on loving we become.
Yes, and when I read Matthew 5:43-48 that is exactly the message that I get. “Be ye therefore perfect” is saying “love completely and without prejudice.”
I wouldn’t say “love is all you need” to oversimplify, but love is the foundation of everything Godly. In the greatest measure love is righteousness, love is salvation. If I were brave I might even reveal the great secret of the universe by saying Love is the very power of God. To me the majority of scriptures verify the idea. How do we become as God? The idea is simple but the follow-through is difficult.
March 15, 2014 at 1:21 am #279441Anonymous
GuestThanks for the uplift! The one thing that my husband and I have found that has helped our faith crisis, is reaching out and serving. Not signing up on the clipboard of busy work that goes around in relief society and elders quorum. Instead, looking around at our neighbors, friends and children, and finding needs that we can fill. Sometimes it’s just taking the time to listen. Sometimes it’s doing things much harder and much more time consuming. But, it forces us to be charitable because it forces us to look on our own for what God’s hands would have us be doing. It has brought us both a lot of peace. As I reach out to anyone who needs it, I feel a deeper sense of empathy for those around me.
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