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March 10, 2014 at 2:46 am #208556
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GuestThe bishop has asked me to try to find people who names are on the ward list but whose whereabouts are unknown. Usually all that is known is their last known address from more than five years ago. These are not DNC’s (do not contact) so they have not told the Church to stay away. I have not done this job in years, but I am confident that I can find most anyone who is not totally homeless. I admit I have ambivalent feelings about this project. On the one hand, there are people we lost track of in previous wards whom I greatly cared about. I already recognize one name of a woman, a single mother, that I personally knew from 10-15 years ago. On the other hand, I know that the vast majority of people who have stopped coming to our church have moved on. That is most likely the case with the aforementioned mother, who was an artist/actress and didn’t like the culture of the Church. We always hear success stories during priesthood/stake meetings, but the only people I have ever known who have come back were serially inactive people. They reactive, drop off, reactive again …
Have any of you taken on this job? What are your feelings about tracking down members or being tracked down?
March 10, 2014 at 10:32 am #281600Anonymous
GuestI think it has to be considered on a case by case basis. It’s not a job I’d like to do. March 10, 2014 at 12:22 pm #281601Anonymous
GuestI think you’re right, there are a few success stories, and many of those are serial inactives (I like that term). When I was a missionary we were tasked with this job. Basically the clerk gave us a list of last known addresses and we went out and knocked on the doors. It was a break from tracting, but not necessarily much fun. It was a mission wide effort and I did this in a couple wards. Generally speaking the people didn’t want to have anything to do with the church. We were also supposed to ask if they wanted their names removed and to explain the process if they did. None did. We had no success in getting any of them to come back, either. In our own ward we had one success a few years back with a long term inactive who came back and eventually served in the bishopric. The key was not this one time effort with a stranger knocking on his door and inviting him back, rather he had a home teacher who for years visited him every month and built up a trusting relationship with him. That’s what brought him back. On the other hand, you never know when you might meet that one person out of the hundreds who will respond. March 10, 2014 at 2:52 pm #281602Anonymous
GuestI want it done, due to some past experiences. To me, DNC means just that, but I want the one who has wandered or drifted to be sought.
March 10, 2014 at 4:01 pm #281603Anonymous
GuestI think it’s a worthwhile thing to do. Consider why you’re still involved in the church, and invite them based on those reasons. I think it’s good to give people the opportunity to reconsider what they once thought to be valuable in their life. When I was a missionary in Mexico, we’d use the member list as a way to tract. It was easier to say “We’re looking for this person do you know where he/she lives?” then go on to explain who we were and what we were about. It was far less intrusive than “Hi. We are here to convert you from the faith that your family has been practicing for hundreds of years.” When we found the person we were looking for, we’d say that we were updating the church records and then share a message, invite them to an activity, or etc, etc.
March 10, 2014 at 4:54 pm #281604Anonymous
GuestSomeUsername84 wrote:I think it’s a worthwhile thing to do. Consider why you’re still involved in the church, and invite them based on those reasons. I think it’s good to give people the opportunity to reconsider what they once thought to be valuable in their life.
When I was a missionary in Mexico, we’d use the member list as a way to tract. It was easier to say “We’re looking for this person do you know where he/she lives?” then go on to explain who we were and what we were about. It was far less intrusive than “Hi. We are here to convert you from the faith that your family has been practicing for hundreds of years.” When we found the person we were looking for, we’d say that we were updating the church records and then share a message, invite them to an activity, or etc, etc.
I don’t disagree. In my experience MANY of these “lost” people were baptized, maybe came for another month, and have been inactive for 10 to 20 (or more) years. It may have been important to them at one point, but for a very short time. Nevertheless, you never know when that one person is just waiting for that knock on the door.
March 10, 2014 at 8:26 pm #281605Anonymous
GuestThey are out there though. People who have gone for twenty years and come back. We also have an outer circle – people whose children come, but who attend rarely.
DNC should be respected though.
March 10, 2014 at 9:03 pm #281606Anonymous
GuestSamBee wrote:DNC should be respected though.
If my tag says DNR, then DON’T RESUSCITATE ME!!!
Same goes for DNC. Respect people’s decisions.
March 11, 2014 at 2:27 am #281607Anonymous
GuestI did literally hundreds of these visits as a HPGL. I determine the following: 1. I will never ask anyone to have their name removed. That is not charitable and is usually motivated by a desire to boost numbers. It also continues the culture of selling out people who are not in the mainstream in the church. Shame on that.
2. I will not contact DNC’s — that is disrespectful.
3. Better to have good wards with strong lessons and programs. Not one person came back from our visits of all those homes — but we had loads of people spontaneously show up at church. They need to have a good experience when they get there. Focus on that.
4. I will no longer weed the ward, as they call it, because it will be out of date within a year or more. Time is better spent having an impact in ways that really matter.
But you might enjoy it — I wouldn’t discourage anyone from doing it, but I’m certainly not enamoured with the idea anymore given my phase of development, which isn’t any better than anyone else’s, just that i’ve been down that path before.
SD
March 11, 2014 at 2:15 pm #281608Anonymous
GuestSilentDawning wrote:I did literally hundreds of these visits as a HPGL. I determine the following:
1. I will never ask anyone to have their name removed. That is not charitable and is usually motivated by a desire to boost numbers. It also continues the culture of selling out people who are not in the mainstream in the church. Shame on that.
2. I will not contact DNC’s — that is disrespectful.
3. Better to have good wards with strong lessons and programs. Not one person came back from our visits of all those homes — but we had loads of people spontaneously show up at church. They need to have a good experience when they get there. Focus on that.
4. I will no longer weed the ward, as they call it, because it will be out of date within a year or more. Time is better spent having an impact in ways that really matter.
But you might enjoy it — I wouldn’t discourage anyone from doing it, but I’m certainly not enamoured with the idea anymore given my phase of development, which isn’t any better than anyone else’s, just that i’ve been down that path before.
SD
I dealt with this. I see earnest effort as well as a business like push for more numbers and resources.
For that reason it is conflicting to me. I see a lot of contacting of people that asked not be be contacted. Not just a re-contact but several re-contacts by escalating chain if command–mission->fellowship>bishop>bishopric>sp>sp HC>area or ga.
I see earnest efforts that se to ignore the person request because “they don’t know what’s best for them”.
The real problem is when someone sees themselves as a rescuer. It should not be called a rescue attempt because of the physiological impact that has on the “rescuers”.
Here is a recent quote from a adoption article I read some months ago that us very accurate to what I see in ourselves many times.
Quote:“When our thinking becomes ‘us as rescuers,’ we’re in grave danger,” Medefind wrote on the alliance website. “What often follows is the pride, self-focus and I-know-better outlook that has been at the root of countless misguided efforts to help others.”
I see that a lot lately since the “hastening the work” has began and less talk about sincere welfare motives and more of obligation to “save or rescue a soul from themselves”.
March 11, 2014 at 6:47 pm #281609Anonymous
GuestThanks to all of you for your comments. I read every one and I see lots of merit in each of them. It certainly feels good to know that there are people like 84 and DarkJedi who served missions and care a lot about investigators/converts while at the same time being able to question things. And I agree with Curtis–I too want them found. And then after they’re found, hopefully the bishop and other leaders will be sensitive to the feelings that Forgotten Charity brought up. -
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