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March 12, 2014 at 7:09 pm #208566
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GuestHey Everyone, I’ve been a lurker for a little bit, but I finally took the plunge and requested to join the forum.
Over the past year, I’ve been through an incredible spiritual journey that has been a bit off the traditional LDS path. I don’t want to get too personal on my first post in this forum, but I’ve dealt with anxiety and other emotional/personal issues for most of my adult life. Over the past couple of years, things got progressively worse to the point where I was going down the path of losing my marriage and job. I was becoming more and more isolated, and pushing everyone I cared about away from me. Those of you who have dealt with anxiety can probably relate to this. You don’t want connection…you just want to be away from anyone and everything.
Equally as frustrating, were my attempts to overcome my issues the traditional LDS way. You know, praying, scripture study, church attendance, temple, church therapists. I’m not saying those things are bad, they just weren’t helping me overcome these enormous emotional hurdles in my life. In a series of events too long to write in this post, I eventually found the teachings of eastern religions and modern day mystics like Eckhart Tolle, Deepak Chopra, Caroline Myss, and others. Their unique perspective on life and especially their teachings on present moment living have completely changed my life. Through meditation practice and present moment awareness, I’ve made a complete 180 in my life. In fact, my wife is always teasing me about what a hippy I’ve become..she feels like she’s married to a different person now. I’ve never been happier and more at peace.
Though I feel wonderful, I’m still trying to navigate the waters between my new found spirituality and my place in the church. I find myself struggling to relate to the normal members of the church and seeing where I fit in. Is there room for people like me in the church? I have been a member my whole life, have had positive experiences in the church, but I’m still finding it difficult to talk to my friends and church members about my new spiritual insights and experiences. I’ve tried talking to a few friends and members of my ward about some of these things, and so far it’s been met with resistance or indifference. Makes me feel like I’m on the fringes.
Any way, from what I’ve read in the forum so far, I feel like I have found a place where I can talk about things more candidly and feel accepted. Thank you all for reading my post. I look forward to getting involved with the community and connecting with like-minded folks.
March 12, 2014 at 8:13 pm #281765Anonymous
GuestOh yes, you will be accepted here the way you are! I applaud your courage in sharing your personal trials. It’s so not LDS to reveal psychological problems even when the whole world around us is now comfortable with it. I myself became very obsessive-compulsive (OCD) after I joined the Church in 1992. It reached a peak around 2005 or so and then something happened–which TBMs call the atonement–to set it back to the point where it doesn’t interfere with my life anymore. At its worst, I agonized over the laundry and could not touch light switches.
I think there is something about the Church and its super-controlling ways that exacerbates OCD/anxiety in anyone who is predisposed to these disorders. For example, in what other church would you be called on to stand up and everyone looks at you and votes on whether you are worthy to be a nursery worker? In what other church does it matter whether a 14-year-boy has his shirt tucked in right so he can pass sacrament? In what other church would you get strange phone calls at night cryptically asking you to come to the bishop’s office on Sunday, only to find out he wants you to help with some tiny project?
And yes, I too have found ward members to be unwilling to talk about anything sensitive. Even liberal members have to trust you a lot to talk.
March 12, 2014 at 8:40 pm #281766Anonymous
GuestWelcome. We’ll take you just the way you are. I look forward to your contributions and sharing with you. March 12, 2014 at 8:46 pm #281767Anonymous
GuestThanks for your reply convert1992. I’m really loving this forum more and more. What you wrote is so dead on. No wonder there is so much anxiety in the church. My awakening more than anything has been that cultural mormonism isn’t the gospel. That my identity and worth aren’t tied to how many things I can check off my Mormon to do list. It’s sad to see so many members worshiping at the feet of cultural mormonism. Christ Himself spent most of his ministry challenging the idea that spirituality and salvation come from strict adherence to tradition and doctrinal fundamentalism.
March 12, 2014 at 8:48 pm #281768Anonymous
GuestThanks Dark Jedi. I’m feeling the love here. I plan to stick around
March 12, 2014 at 8:56 pm #281769Anonymous
GuestWelcome, sanders! It’s great to have you here. I can really relate to your story. I’ve struggled with anxiety/depression since I was a kid. It definitely hit a peak on my mission. I still deal with it on occasion. And like you, I have found the best way to combat it is through meditation and mindfulness. There is no better feeling than when you’re fully focused on the present moment and just viewing the world as it is. No worries about tomorrow, no regrets about yesterday, just observing what is.
sanders31105 wrote:
Though I feel wonderful, I’m still trying to navigate the waters between my new found spirituality and my place in the church. I find myself struggling to relate to the normal members of the church and seeing where I fit in. Is there room for people like me in the church? I have been a member my whole life, have had positive experiences in the church, but I’m still finding it difficult to talk to my friends and church members about my new spiritual insights and experiences. I’ve tried talking to a few friends and members of my ward about some of these things, and so far it’s been met with resistance or indifference.
There absolutely is room for people like you in the church! I hope so, if not then I’ll be getting booted too Everyone has a unique understanding and belief about spirituality. You may find some resistance or even complete disagreement when talking with some people, particularly those with a very orthodox view of the church, but you will also find some people that completely relate to you (myself being one of them). The further along I get in my unique spiritual path, the more I am valuing the differences of opinion. If everyone agreed with my beliefs, I wouldn’t have much to learn from them. On the other hand, if I agreed with everyone else’s beliefs, I wouldn’t have much to share with them.
To sum it up… Embrace your views. Share what has made you happy. If you come across people that disagree with you, see what you can learn from that difference of opinion.
Great post! Thanks for joining the group.
March 12, 2014 at 9:05 pm #281770Anonymous
Guestsmplfy7 wrote:Welcome, sanders! It’s great to have you here.
I can really relate to your story. I’ve struggled with anxiety/depression since I was a kid. It definitely hit a peak on my mission. I still deal with it on occasion. And like you, I have found the best way to combat it is through meditation and mindfulness. There is no better feeling than when you’re fully focused on the present moment and just viewing the world as it is. No worries about tomorrow, no regrets about yesterday, just observing what is.
sanders31105 wrote:
Though I feel wonderful, I’m still trying to navigate the waters between my new found spirituality and my place in the church. I find myself struggling to relate to the normal members of the church and seeing where I fit in. Is there room for people like me in the church? I have been a member my whole life, have had positive experiences in the church, but I’m still finding it difficult to talk to my friends and church members about my new spiritual insights and experiences. I’ve tried talking to a few friends and members of my ward about some of these things, and so far it’s been met with resistance or indifference.
There absolutely is room for people like you in the church! I hope so, if not then I’ll be getting booted too Everyone has a unique understanding and belief about spirituality. You may find some resistance or even complete disagreement when talking with some people, particularly those with a very orthodox view of the church, but you will also find some people that completely relate to you (myself being one of them). The further along I get in my unique spiritual path, the more I am valuing the differences of opinion. If everyone agreed with my beliefs, I wouldn’t have much to learn from them. On the other hand, if I agreed with everyone else’s beliefs, I wouldn’t have much to share with them.
To sum it up… Embrace your views. Share what has made you happy. If you come across people that disagree with you, see what you can learn from that difference of opinion.
Great post! Thanks for joining the group.
Your post gave me chills. Thank you so much. It feels great to hear from people that feel the way I do, and am so glad to meet you.
March 12, 2014 at 9:57 pm #281771Anonymous
GuestEmotional / psychological / neurological issues are hard enough on their own, but add our near obsession with perfection and happiness . . . Welcome. I hope you are able to increase in joy and peace as a result of being here.
March 12, 2014 at 10:51 pm #281772Anonymous
GuestI am very interested in what you are saying about Mormon meditation, and hope you will explicate it further. I would like to see something done further on those lines. I’m going to chime in with something different. Becoming active has HELPED me deal with anxiety – I would count the following in my favor: getting off alcohol + coffee has reduced my anxiety, prayer too, meeting a bunch of people who snipe at each other less than the folk outside the church, getting various help off the church in half a dozen ways.
March 12, 2014 at 11:22 pm #281773Anonymous
GuestWelcome, sanders! Glad you’re here. You will fit in just fine here! I agree, it can be hard to relate to people who don’t share the same views. There’s definitely room in the church for people like us. March 13, 2014 at 2:24 am #281774Anonymous
GuestSamBee wrote:I am very interested in what you are saying about Mormon meditation, and hope you will explicate it further. I would like to see something done further on those lines.
I’m not a meditation expert or guru. It’s completely changed my life though. As I was searching for deeper spiritual knowledge and meditation techniques, I came across a couple of really amazing articles by Phil McLemore. He’s a Mormon yogi who does meditation seminars in Utah. One of his articles, Yoga of Christ really connected with me. Here’s a link to the article
https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/pdf/146-30-45.pdf .Over the course of the year, I’ve gotten to know Phil and he’s really helped me in my spiritual awakening and meditation practice. As I mentioned in my OP, this knowledge has made a huge impact on my life. It literally saved my family and helped me over come some deep issues with anxiety. Since my experience with Phil has been so transformational, I desperately wanted to get his message out to the world and help others who were in my same situation. He’s retired, only does local seminars, but I talked him into doing some online meditation seminars. We are going to be holding our first one on March 27 and you’re welcome to attend. There’s no cost. The link is in my sig if you or anyone else is interested.
Thanks again for everyone who has welcomed me into forum. I’ve bounced around a few other ones, but feel really comfortable here.
March 13, 2014 at 3:29 am #281775Anonymous
GuestYou are definitely welcome here. There are a number of other people here who have posted about anxiety and other related issues. I have some minor anxiety myself. It doesn’t usually get in the way of my life, but it’s been exacerbated since I have found myself in the borderlands of Mormonism. Those phone calls to cryptic meetings really get to me. I have to work really hard not to freak out. I’ve been really interested in meditation but haven’t taken much time to look into it. I have issues with prayer and belief in God himself. Do you think that Phil McLemore’s meditation seminar would be helpful for someone who isn’t sure that God even exists? I am interested in meditation as a form of self-awareness and maybe prayer, but I have such a deep skeptical streak I’m not sure how it would work out if the focus is on spiritual awakenings—since my experience doesn’t give me any real connection to what a spiritual awakening might be like.
March 13, 2014 at 4:20 am #281776Anonymous
GuestDaeruin wrote:You are definitely welcome here. There are a number of other people here who have posted about anxiety and other related issues. I have some minor anxiety myself. It doesn’t usually get in the way of my life, but it’s been exacerbated since I have found myself in the borderlands of Mormonism. Those phone calls to cryptic meetings really get to me. I have to work really hard not to freak out.
I’ve been really interested in meditation but haven’t taken much time to look into it. I have issues with prayer and belief in God himself. Do you think that Phil McLemore’s meditation seminar would be helpful for someone who isn’t sure that God even exists? I am interested in meditation as a form of self-awareness and maybe prayer, but I have such a deep skeptical streak I’m not sure how it would work out if the focus is on spiritual awakenings—since my experience doesn’t give me any real connection to what a spiritual awakening might be like.
Hi Daeruin,
Thanks for your question. I think his seminar would be perfect for someone like you. You can definitely use meditation for self awareness and prayer. In this first event he actually talks about the difference between praying to God (traditional Mormon praying) and praying IN God. I think you will really enjoy it.
Meditation doesn’t have to be about spiritual awakening, though personally I think it’s the highest benefit of meditating. Stilling the mind is great for relieving stress and overall health improvement. I hope you’ll join us. Phil’s knowledge is incredible and I think anyone who is remotely interested in meditation will get something good out of this first live event.
March 13, 2014 at 6:38 am #281777Anonymous
Guestsanders31105 wrote:I’m not a meditation expert or guru. It’s completely changed my life though. As I was searching for deeper spiritual knowledge and meditation techniques, I came across a couple of really amazing articles by Phil McLemore. He’s a Mormon yogi who does meditation seminars in Utah. One of his articles, Yoga of Christ really connected with me. Here’s a link to the article
https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/pdf/146-30-45.pdf .
Thanks for sharing this. I sure wish I’d known about yoga, (as in, considered it something a Mormon girl should try) a long time ago. Better late than never. That’s a really interesting tidbit about “yoke” and “yoga” having the same root.
March 13, 2014 at 3:59 pm #281778Anonymous
GuestWelcome to the group, Sanders! This group has helped me so much. Despite a lot of talk about the love that the Lord has for us, there can be a lot of obsession with the appearance of perfection. It has ruined more than one generation of my family here in Northern Utah. Christ’s gospel is perfect (charity, hope, patience, etc.), and although I can no longer say that “I know” this or “I know” that, I have a lot of hope that through the mercy of a loving Heavenly Father, my heart can be understood and my imperfect efforts to be a half-decent human being will be enough.
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