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July 10, 2014 at 11:04 pm #209016
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GuestOne of my sons shared the following video on Facebook, and I am posting the link here not just because I believe it is an important issue that needs to be addressed better and more openly in the LDS Church but also because I LOVE the tone of respect and faithfulness from the young lady and her parents. I’m grateful for the increased understanding of homosexuality I have seen over the last few years (even as I hope and pray for a continuation of that increased understanding), but this video highlights beautifully another area where we need to seek diligently for increased light and knowledge. Transgender / trans-sexual issues still are SO badly misunderstood by so many.
If you have friends and/or family who might be open to this video, please share it freely.
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She Grew Up Mormon And Carried A Big Secret For Most Of Her Life” ( )http://www.upworthy.com/she-grew-up-mormon-and-carried-a-big-secret-for-most-of-her-life?c=ufb1 July 11, 2014 at 12:35 am #287594Anonymous
GuestGreat Video Ray! Thank you for sharing. I agree that they are so non-adversarial, so believing in all but this one part that doesn’t quite fit with their experience.
I believe that most people’s hearts would be softened after seeing this short documentary. Maybe that’s the spirit – confirming truth … tearing down hate.
July 11, 2014 at 3:03 am #287595Anonymous
GuestJust to clarify: I would say, in the vast majority of situations, this type of video can help tear down ignorance, not hate. People who really hate aren’t going to be moved by it in any way – but nearly everyone I know is influenced by ignorance rather than hate.
July 11, 2014 at 12:18 pm #287596Anonymous
GuestThanks for sharing, Ray. I think this is well done, and agree that it can help dispel ignorance and myths associated with transsexualism. I have to say that even with my somewhat open minded bishop and more open minded stake president, they would probably follow the handbook and excommunicate her. I think it’s a difficult position for them to be in. July 11, 2014 at 3:28 pm #287597Anonymous
GuestMy other son made an interesting point about how the handbook is worded – something that leaves hope for a different future, even if the wording is never changed. He pointed out that the wording is “elective transgender surgery” (not simply “transgender surgery”) – and the use of a qualifier like “elective” implies the existence of “non-elective” transgender surgery. I had never looked that closely (ironic, I know), but in a case like Eri’s it would be logical to see the surgery as non-elective and not impose discipline of any kind.
That’s not stretching anything, really, since the wording itself draws the distinction (even though I would prefer the opposite framing, as in, “Transgender surgery does not automatically require formal church discipline.”) It would take a leader who was willing to listen to the whole situation and value parental input, in this case – but the wording leaves open the possibility.
It’s also worth pointing out that my sons are part of the next generation of local leaders in many places (mid-20’s – and my son who posted the video is in a calling where he has a voice at the local level). Many of their generation will read phrases like that in the handbook and naturally be open to a more nuanced reading – certainly much more so than many of my generation and older.
July 11, 2014 at 4:36 pm #287598Anonymous
GuestThe word “elective” being in there is a good point, Ray. I’m assuming it’s there for the case of a child born with attributes of both genders in which a choice has to be made (usually by the parents early on). Nevertheless, I could see that an understanding leader might have a more open interpretation of it and not see it as automatically necessary to excommunicate the person. Leadership roulette comes into play, probably heavily leaning in the excommunication direction, unfortunately. I had actually given this some thought since my first comment. Although I am not a fan of “If I were in this situation, I would….” (because we really don’t know what we would do until we are in the situation), I might be tempted to change my name (happening anyway), move to a different place, contact the missionaries and take the lessons and be baptized as a different person. I would then eventually progress to the temple, etc. That is, of course, if I felt that it was OK between me and God and there is no way for me to know that. I do tend to think God is much more understanding than most men.
July 11, 2014 at 5:01 pm #287599Anonymous
GuestDarkJedi wrote:The word “elective” being in there is a good point, Ray. I’m assuming it’s there for the case of a child born with attributes of both genders in which a choice has to be made (usually by the parents early on). Nevertheless, I could see that an understanding leader might have a more open interpretation of it and not see it as automatically necessary to excommunicate the person. Leadership roulette comes into play, probably heavily leaning in the excommunication direction, unfortunately.
I had actually given this some thought since my first comment. Although I am not a fan of “If I were in this situation, I would….” (because we really don’t know what we would do until we are in the situation), I might be tempted to change my name (happening anyway), move to a different place, contact the missionaries and take the lessons and be baptized as a different person. I would then eventually progress to the temple, etc. That is, of course, if I felt that it was OK between me and God and there is no way for me to know that. I do tend to think God is much more understanding than most men.
Funny you should say that. I have a friend in Taiwan who tried to do something similar, but in the end he decided that he didn’t want to join a group where he wouldn’t be forgiven no matter how much he repeated for how long because of this.
Quote:Persons who are considering an elective transsexual operation should not be baptized. Persons who have already undergone an elective transsexual operation may be baptized if they are otherwise found worthy in an interview with the mission president or a priesthood leader he assigns. Such persons may not receive the priesthood or a temple recommend.
Never being able to receive the priesthood or get a temple recommend no matter what he did to repent.
Its a very small issue in the USA, but as I found out is a much bigger issue in the Taiwan, Singapore, Philippines area.
July 11, 2014 at 5:31 pm #287600Anonymous
GuestI now realize I didn’t make myself perfectly clear in my prior post – I’d be tempted to change my name, move, etc., and not tell them I was a transsexual. July 12, 2014 at 7:23 am #287601Anonymous
GuestThanks Ray for sharing this video. I think it was informative and very touching. I appreciate the love these parents so obviously have for their children. I hope it increases understanding. -
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