Home Page › Forums › General Discussion › Parenting poll
- This topic is empty.
-
AuthorPosts
-
July 14, 2014 at 4:26 am #209023
Anonymous
GuestThis poll is one that was done in the Faith Matters survey about 8 years ago. July 16, 2014 at 4:58 pm #287694Anonymous
GuestI voted for self reliance. As an aside I don’t think of absolute self reliance as the ideal.
I want my children to be good at being part of being part of a team and building relationships with other people. I want them to be integrated into a community and family.
I am not necessarily a fan of “going off the grid.”
July 16, 2014 at 5:44 pm #287695Anonymous
GuestThanks for the poll hawkgrrrl. Results are not surprising. When those two options are put side by side, I will always choose self reliance, but I think there is a good middle ground there. Kids also need to learn good general norms of behavior they should follow, times to speak up, times to not speak up, times when you do things just because, times to have the self-confidence to say no. I doubt I’m breaking any controversial ground here.
July 16, 2014 at 8:51 pm #287696Anonymous
GuestWhat others said. The end.
July 16, 2014 at 10:46 pm #287697Anonymous
GuestHere’s an accompanying post that explains the original poll results. Religious people overwhelmingly chose obedience, while secular people chose self-reliance. http://www.wheatandtares.org/14680/religious-parenting-vs-secular-parenting/ July 16, 2014 at 11:23 pm #287698Anonymous
GuestI think I would have probably chosen obedience back in my TBM days. I think my choice of self-reliance was as much a reaction to church culture as it was to character hopes. If you take the church influence out of my thinking, I still think would have chosen self-reliance. But that doesn’t preclude obedience. In fact, one might argue that self-reliant individuals know when to be obedient — to laws, to superiors at work, to certain societal norms. Otherwise, they lose their independence.
July 17, 2014 at 12:03 pm #287699Anonymous
GuestSilentDawning wrote:If you take the church influence out of my thinking, I still think would have chosen self-reliance. But that doesn’t preclude obedience. In fact, one might argue that self-reliant individuals know when to be obedient — to laws, to superiors at work, to certain societal norms. Otherwise, they lose their independence.
This.
:thumbup: July 17, 2014 at 1:25 pm #287700Anonymous
GuestQuote:rents are confronted with a fundamental but often difficult task: teaching children the values and regulations necessary to function effectively in society while also nurturing children’s drive to express themselves and to pursue their unique interests and capacities. The central socialization goal is internalization, wherein children “take in” social regulations, make them their own, and eventually self-regulate autonomously (e.g., Lepper, 1983; Schafer, 1968). When it functions optimally, internaliza- tion is beneficial for children’s learning, well-being, and psy- chosocial adjustment. However, because activities that need to be internalised are often not enjoyable (e.g., clean-up, home- work), adults wonder how to encourage children’s engagement in such tasks without negatively affecting their self- determination.
Self-determination theory (SDT; Deci & Ryan, 1985, 2000, 2008) uses the concept of innate, universal, psychological needs to understand human motivation. All human beings have the funda- mental needs to feel related, competent, and autonomous in order to develop and function optimally (Deci & Ryan, 2000) The paramount importance given to the need for autonomy is the core
Rather, autonomy is about volitional, harmonious, and integrated functioning, in contrast to more pressured, conflicted, or alienated. Self-determination theory suggests that children have an innate propensity toward mastery of their environment, and that the internalization of values, behaviours, and attitudes in the social surround is a spontaneous, natural process (Ryan, 1995).
Self-determination theory highlights the role of the social con- text, which can either facilitate or undermine children’s intrinsic motivation and internalization. Both intrinsic motivation and in- ternalization are likely to function optimally when children’s need for autonomy is supported by parents and teachers (Ryan & Deci, 2000a). It is not merely that children can develop well without external pressure and control: external pressure that goes against children’s developmental tendencies can actually have a negative effect on their development.
Self-determination theory is what I choose between authoritarian, authoritative, permissive, and self-determination.
I’m not sure how much this has been used or talked about in LDS families though. Anyone know of this or used this theory?
A small section if a 7 page extensive research study.
http://www.selfdeterminationtheory.org/SDT/documents/2008_JoussemetLandryKoestner_CanPsych.pdf ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.selfdeterminationtheory.org/SDT/documents/2008_JoussemetLandryKoestner_CanPsych.pdf July 17, 2014 at 4:04 pm #287701Anonymous
GuestI think that the two kind of goes hand in hand. There needs to be an obedience to some principles to be self reliant and some self reliance in your judgement to be obedient. I like everyone else thus far voted for self reliance. July 18, 2014 at 5:11 am #287702Anonymous
GuestAlthough I am more secular in my beliefs these days and would absolutely agree with the need to teach kids self reliance, I often struggle with the proper balance. I come from a very authoritarian home, and I often find myself demanding obedience from my kids as a matter of pure instinct, even when it might be more effective to use those moments to teach empower them with self reliance and problem solving skills. And I do this despite the fact that I personally do not believe that God, if he even exists, would not demand obedience. I’m trying to be brutally honest about myself here. I didn’t vote in the poll because my ideals and my actions don’t always match in this area. Maybe a better way to put it is that my head-beliefs don’t always match up with my instinctive-feelings. I struggle with it. July 18, 2014 at 5:15 am #287703Anonymous
GuestForgotten_Charity wrote:Quote:rents are confronted with a fundamental but often difficult task: teaching children the values and regulations necessary to function effectively in society while also nurturing children’s drive to express themselves and to pursue their unique interests and capacities. The central socialization goal is internalization, wherein children “take in” social regulations, make them their own, and eventually self-regulate autonomously (e.g., Lepper, 1983; Schafer, 1968). When it functions optimally, internaliza- tion is beneficial for children’s learning, well-being, and psy- chosocial adjustment. However, because activities that need to be internalised are often not enjoyable (e.g., clean-up, home- work), adults wonder how to encourage children’s engagement in such tasks without negatively affecting their self- determination.
Self-determination theory (SDT; Deci & Ryan, 1985, 2000, 2008) uses the concept of innate, universal, psychological needs to understand human motivation. All human beings have the funda- mental needs to feel related, competent, and autonomous in order to develop and function optimally (Deci & Ryan, 2000) The paramount importance given to the need for autonomy is the core
Rather, autonomy is about volitional, harmonious, and integrated functioning, in contrast to more pressured, conflicted, or alienated. Self-determination theory suggests that children have an innate propensity toward mastery of their environment, and that the internalization of values, behaviours, and attitudes in the social surround is a spontaneous, natural process (Ryan, 1995).
Self-determination theory highlights the role of the social con- text, which can either facilitate or undermine children’s intrinsic motivation and internalization. Both intrinsic motivation and in- ternalization are likely to function optimally when children’s need for autonomy is supported by parents and teachers (Ryan & Deci, 2000a). It is not merely that children can develop well without external pressure and control: external pressure that goes against children’s developmental tendencies can actually have a negative effect on their development.
Self-determination theory is what I choose between authoritarian, authoritative, permissive, and self-determination.
I’m not sure how much this has been used or talked about in LDS families though. Anyone know of this or used this theory?
A small section if a 7 page extensive research study.
http://www.selfdeterminationtheory.org/SDT/documents/2008_JoussemetLandryKoestner_CanPsych.pdf ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.selfdeterminationtheory.org/SDT/documents/2008_JoussemetLandryKoestner_CanPsych.pdf
It sounds good, but as a father of 5 kids I don’t have time to read long research papers about the theory of this. Is there anything that is more practical for those of us in the trenches? I need one of those self help books with lots of quotes and examples.
-
AuthorPosts
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.