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October 11, 2014 at 10:02 am #209230
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GuestI will start off by saying that I’m not the greatest Mormon out there. I’ve tried beer, and I don’t mind one every now and then just to kinda relax, you know? However, I understand fully that it’s against the Word Of Wisdom. But, what about moderation? I mean, how can Beer be bad as long as we’re moderate about it? Wouldn’t it be interesting if one day the church got some sort of revelation to change the word of wisdom and make it one sentence; and that would be “Moderation is key!” I mean, seriously, think about it? Now, is that likely? No, most like not. It probably has like a 0.0000000001% chance of happening. But it’s just a thought and something that has crossed my mind recently.
I mean it almost seems like we should make eating fatty foods like French fries against the word of wisdom, because those aren’t the healthiest for you. But in moderation, I’m pretty positive that you’d be fine.
And just know that I’m not trying to challenge the Church Doctrine or anything, it’s just something my young, critical mind has thought about
😆 October 11, 2014 at 12:33 pm #290522Anonymous
GuestNice to hear from you again. I’ll toss out some random thoughts. 1) There is no purpose to the word of wisdom if we can moderate… and this coming from a convert that’s never drank alcohol.
2) I’ve heard “adapted to the capacity of the weak and the weakest of all saints” interpreted as obedience through total abstinence helps people that may have a propensity toward addiction, like a person that may be genetically predisposed to have a high risk of becoming alcoholic if they start drinking. The thought is that if they never take that first sip of alcohol they’ll never have to worry if they fall into that category.
3) Currently it’s one of the temple recommend questions. It would first have to be removed as a temple recommend question before the policy could be changed toward an approach favoring moderation, otherwise it would be impossible to enforce. Currently it’s do you abstain from these substances? Easy to enforce because there’s a yes, no answer (for most normal people
). If the policy was all things in moderation it would be near impossible to continue to enforce it as something that qualified someone to enter the temple. Here’s an exaggerated example:
Someone struggling with alcoholism shows up to their TR interview. The bishop asks if they are moderate in all things. The alcoholic doesn’t think they have a problem so they say yes, they are moderate in all things. The bishop doesn’t agree, an argument ensues.
Come to think of it, now that I’ve typed all that out I’m struggling to see how that’s any different than today.
:eh: 4) Maybe the word of wisdom is a good principle that teaches us to be moderate in all things. It becomes irrelevant once we learn to self moderate.
willb1993 wrote:And just know that I’m not trying to challenge the Church Doctrine or anything, it’s just something my young, critical mind has thought about
😆 Keep it up.
:thumbup: October 11, 2014 at 3:03 pm #290523Anonymous
GuestAs someone who is a health nut, I really like the idea of a reminder to treat our bodies well. They are miraculous and possibly the single greatest possession we have. It makes sense that Heavenly Father would say “take care of your body.” I agree 100% the the way it’s currently interpreted makes no sense. It’s turned into more of a measuring stick for if we can be baptized and attend the temple.
October 11, 2014 at 5:13 pm #290524Anonymous
GuestAs the standard, I believe in moderation in all things (and, in some cases, that means abstinence, since some substances are next to impossible to use in any way other than an extreme), but I also have physiological issues in my extended family that make me grateful to have been born in a culture that makes many common addictions irrelevant for those who “follow the rules”. I really like the concept of a “word of wisdom” that teaches principles by which people can govern themselves, and I have a HUGE issue with making a temple recommend standard the same as a baptismal standard (and even with the way the Word of Wisdom is used as a temple requirement currently). I also don’t like how we focus so much on the “don’t”s that we tend to ignore completely the “do”s – even though I understand why we focus on the easily measurable aspects and ignore the ones that can’t be measured easily and appropriately for differing individuals. (Seriously, can you picture a Bishop asking about exactly how much meat you eat – and how often you eat it – and what your exact diet is – and on and on and on?) The purpose of the Word of Wisdom if left to individuals to moderate would be no different than it was for the first generations after it was announced and recorded. It would mean the elimination of it as an ordinance qualification – which would make it more personal and less public. I personally would prefer that, for lots of reasons – and I would support fully removing it from the requirements for baptism, even if it were to remain a requirement for temple attendance.
October 11, 2014 at 8:07 pm #290525Anonymous
GuestBeer. Moderation. Been there. Tried that. Doesn’t work in my culture.
Also one or two pints STILL give me depression.
October 11, 2014 at 8:10 pm #290526Anonymous
Guest“One drink is too many and one hundred are never enough” Irish writer Brendan Behan who was killed by alcoholism. Bear in mind for some people one drink IS too many and can set them down the wrong path.
We’re not talking fries here.
October 12, 2014 at 1:08 am #290527Anonymous
GuestCivilization as we know it today was made possible by beer. It provided a dense calorie source and bacteria free hydration. Beer in moderation is good for you. The WofW as we practice it today is wrong on multiple fronts. It is not supported by science, but exist in the church today as a test of obedience. October 12, 2014 at 5:39 pm #290528Anonymous
GuestThe word of wisdom (not by commandment or constraint) actually supports the wise consumption of mild barley drinks (fermented) but speaks against strong drinks (distilled). But it is a modern day test of obedience to a prohibition-era interpretation of the scripture. October 12, 2014 at 10:32 pm #290529Anonymous
GuestI would like to see it as a personal option. The Seventh Day Adventists have a health code that is largely vegetarian /no alcohol, caffiene etc. This causes them to live longer lives as a group.
There is no requirement to give up meat if you want to join their church.
The people are invited to take care of their bodies and many of the members see vegetarianism as a good way to accomplish this goal – but it is not the only way.
As it was explained to me by the SDA pastor,
Quote:“If God calls you to take that step (into vegetarianism, giving up beer or caffiene, etc.) then it would be the right choice for you. But only you can know what God is speaking to your heart.”
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