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    If any of you haven’t seen the end of the BYU football game, search Beach Bowl in YouTube and watch the embarrassing actions of BYU players. It was brought up in my office a lot yesterday. I was not proud of it. Comments like, “And they’re supposed to be church boys.” “They aren’t different from thugs in Memphis.” “I guess they shouldn’t think they’re so special.” It hurt me.

    My lovely open minded TBM temple married daughter sent me this link today, I think we should all read it and apply to our lives. But I thought it was a refreshing view from others outside the faith on the recognition of real issues and real pain.

    http://donnacarolvoss.com/faith/hurts-mormon-right-now/” class=”bbcode_url”>http://donnacarolvoss.com/faith/hurts-mormon-right-now/

    Particularly this part:

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    Which parts of Church doctrine and policy are infallible and which aren’t? How do we decide?

    I always go back to basics. I know Heavenly Father is there, I know he loves all his children, I know he cares how we live and how we treat each other, I know he has a plan for our eternal destiny and purpose. Those are the parts that are all him.

    Then come the parts he needs us for, like organizing and administering spiritual concerns on earth, and things are suddenly much less clean. In fact, they are suddenly messy, messy, messy.

    Eve, given pre-eminence as the mother of all living, committed humanity’s first transgression. Moses, who was worthy to talk with God face-to-face, wasn’t worthy enough to enter the Promised Land. Jonah ran away when God commanded him to preach to people Jonah considered his enemies, and God had to get pretty creative to convince him to do the deed. Saul persecuted and killed who knows how many Christians—one assumes innocent and undeserving of death Christians—before he became the magnificent disciple Paul. Like I said, messy, messy, messy.

    Finally comes the part that is all us, and the only part we’re held accountable for in the end: what we do about it all.

    Faith is so intensely personal that none of us can tell another what to think or feel. If we judge others for what they think or feel, we need to go back to Christianity 101.


    We can learn so much from others not of our faith. And return to our mormon perspectives a little less believing we are the only ones who go through faith questions. Ours may be unique because of Mormonism we share, but God smiles down on us all…hoping we all play nice in his sandbox, and learn what it means to become like Christ.

    Sometimes pain gives us opportunities to show our character, and examine our true beliefs…not in doctrine, but in word and deed.

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    Yes, the actions of the BYU players weren’t the best. I admit, one of the first things I thought went right back to my pet issue over beards. Too good to let people have beards but street fighting… ;)

    When I joined the church I was living with my grandparents while I was attending college. I would frequently hear my grandmother say “I thought the mormon church taught you better than that.” at every little foible. It hurt, especially since I viewed myself as a missionary to my family.

    In part I think the comments from your coworkers may reflect how we present ourselves as a church. There might be a little holier than thou coming across or it might only a perception that religious people look down their noses at others. It is what it is. It might help to agree with your adversary, so to speak. If they know you are a mormon and that you also take issue with the footballer’s actions then that will dispel some of this. In the case of me and my grandmother I willingly ate that crow. Yes, the church teaches me better and I’ll try to do better.

    Back to the article. It’s hard to give statements like these a pass.

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    Bad news for any of us coasting on Mormon culture or borrowed testimony.

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    If we take the time and make the effort—have the hard conversations, spend time on our knees, examine ourselves with honesty, and hear others with compassion—we’ll know. It wouldn’t hurt to read the scriptures.

    It’s a repetition of the “testimony wasn’t strong enough” line to come up with justifications for why some people are leaving and others are not. That last quote also comes across probably harsher than it was intended. The article was good in pointing out that its perfectly fine for people to arrive at their own conclusions but perhaps it needs a little more work in recognizing that people also arrive at the critical decision point for their own reasons.

    Yes, it’s hard to be mormon. There are lots of beams in everyone’s eyes and lots of people aren’t shy in pointing them out. Heck, I’m doing it now aren’t I? Yes, it’s hard to be mormon. We need to have the discussion but mom always walks out of the room whenever the subject comes up. Yes, it’s hard to be a mormon. There’s a growing attitude that those that stay are somehow more faithful than those that leave.

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    Heber13 wrote:

    We can learn so much from others not of our faith. And return to our mormon perspectives a little less believing we are the only ones who go through faith questions. Ours may be unique because of Mormonism we share, but God smiles down on us all…hoping we all play nice in his sandbox, and learn what it means to become like Christ.

    Sometimes pain gives us opportunities to show our character, and examine our true beliefs…not in doctrine, but in word and deed.

    Heber13, this is a great perspective.

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    Heber – I love the part that you quote. Thanks for posting.

    Just want to note that this isnt the first nor will it be the last time BYU football players misbehave. I guarantee coach Mendenhall was appalled and I would be shocked if there werent punishment, although the public may not hear about it. I still love BYU football and hold them to a higher standard but ultimately they are college age football players, prone to act like any other football players.

    Agree that it’s hard to be Mormon and it often hurts. I sometimes wish I would have been born in a different tribe. Ultimately I usually come out of it reminding myself that showing our character through deed – like you said – is what makes me who I am.

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    Roadrunner wrote:

    I sometimes wish I would have been born in a different tribe.


    Do you think other “tribes” have less pain? Or do we just pick our poison in life by wanting the good things that come with it?

    #293292
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    When I proclaim that I am a Christian, eyes view me objectively to see if I act Christian. When I proclaim that I am Mormon, more scrutiny. If I professed to be perfect, all bets are off. I think a lot of people in and out of the church look at us like we profess to be perfect. So when there’s an embarrassing moment, the farther the fall. Are other churches members like this or is it a ‘squeaky clean’ mormon image that we’ve portrayed?

    #293293
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    Whatever this is about it’s made absolutely no ripples over here, although a few of the ward have been to BYU, and one or two folk have played American Football (like me, twice)

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