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    I thought this was an interesting post on a Vietnamese Buddhist FB group I’m in. I joined it a long time ago because I like quotes by Thích Quảng Đức, the Buddhist monk who burned himself in protest in Saigon. Anyway, I saw this post, and I thought it sounded familiar. I thought you would enjoy that no matter how much things differ, they are the same human feelings.

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    “I am really having a hard time with the faith. Just very unsure what I believe anymore after being in Dharmsala and then returning here. 2014 was just filled with hardships for me. Leaving me homeless, penniless, and sick. I struggle with severe medical and mental issues, and even after being in Dharmsala, I don’t know how the buddah viewed mental illness.

    For all the things I thought buddhism was, and what it meant to me, being surrounded by it, I at at times felt like I was at peace, and at times, so depressed, so sad, so angry. I was floored when someone I had read, when he met me, wasn’t warm towards me. I thought monks and lamas would be filled with love, and I felt like he didn’t like me. It crushed me. It’s been a year I’m home, and now I am starting to think it didn’t exist at all, this idea.

    India was strange. The ideas can be so beautiful, but yet the people did the worst things. I just saw the story of buddah the PBS special, and it just seems like in India, that they embellish the truth, to tell a story, if it’s true I don’t know. My faith is now really spotty. My only release to deal with the anxiety I felt, now not there. I wish we had people to talk to here. I read what he wrote, and now I just think, is nirvana just simply being nice and happiness? What are we trying to really obtain here? How do you obtain this, and be a usual person?

    I had more grace, happiness, and peace before I ever found the Dharma, so what happened? Sorry for sharing here, just really feeling extremely lost.”

    #293665
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    Thanks Hawkgrrl. I read a book last summer by a Buddhist who had a faith crisis and feels he is in stage 5. So many parallels. I also hear them in Catholicism and Amish religions, too. I love knowing I am not alone.

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    +1

    #293667
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    Yes

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    #293668
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    Quote:

    “The ideas can be so beautiful, but yet the people did the worst things. I just saw the story of buddah the PBS special, and it just seems like in India, that they embellish the truth, to tell a story, if it’s true I don’t know. My faith is now really spotty. My only release to deal with the anxiety I felt, now not there. I wish we had people to talk to here. I read what he wrote, and now I just think, is nirvana just simply being nice and happiness?


    HG, this has been my experience as well, when talking with friends of other faiths. While stories and backdrops vary from different religions, the human experience is very similar, that it seems to show how Stage 3 and 4 descriptions of a faith development in the individual is beyond the institutions that are serving the individual.

    These issues are not unique to us. We are all part of the human family. Just different stories as we try to express or make sense of our experiences.

    I think the struggles we have come when we get down to the details of any religion. At a high level, the messages inspire us and ring true…but take any religious story down to day to day interactions (how bishops treat us, how monks treat us, truth about the stories taught, rules of what to do or not to do and how that makes sense to us, etc) and the human experience is still difficult to make sense of. The details get tricky.

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    The first thing I noticed are the commonalities about what drives people out: hypocrisy, personal slights, insecurity, withholding information, and so forth, but the next thing I always wonder is what came first, the shift in perspective or the perception of these negative things. They sort of escalate and snowball once you have the thought that “this isn’t for me.” Suddenly every interaction is a pro or con. Every new piece of information is for the defense or the prosecution. Even your own moods become an extension of how you view the religion and how it views you. It’s similar to a rocky marriage. Something gets it to the point that it’s rocky, but at that point, your spouse not doing the dishes or sighing at the wrong time can all be seen in light of the rockiness of the relationship rather than overlooked as momentary irritations. There is heightened awareness and sensitivity in that moment. Maybe we don’t need to go back to pre-faith crisis so much as we need to go back to reading less into things, forgiving and overlooking more human frailty, whether our own or that of leaders or random people we meet.

    I wrote about my mother’s conversion process here: http://bycommonconsent.com/2013/06/02/the-testimony-puzzle/

    But her conversion is as much a faith crisis as a conversion, really. She became disenchanted with her own congregation and my father’s congregation, and she was searching for a place they belonged. She was originally offended by things like how closed-minded the missionaries were about drinking Pepsi, but then after conversion she was a big proponent of the Word of Wisdom (as she then understood it). Her perspective drove everything along the way, but what drove that is the impossible thing to identify.

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    hawkgrrrl wrote:

    The first thing I noticed are the commonalities about what drives people out: hypocrisy, personal slights, insecurity, withholding information, and so forth, but the next thing I always wonder is what came first, the shift in perspective or the perception of these negative things. They sort of escalate and snowball once you have the thought that “this isn’t for me.” Suddenly every interaction is a pro or con. Every new piece of information is for the defense or the prosecution. Even your own moods become an extension of how you view the religion and how it views you. It’s similar to a rocky marriage. Something gets it to the point that it’s rocky, but at that point, your spouse not doing the dishes or sighing at the wrong time can all be seen in light of the rockiness of the relationship rather than overlooked as momentary irritations. There is heightened awareness and sensitivity in that moment. Maybe we don’t need to go back to pre-faith crisis so much as we need to go back to reading less into things, forgiving and overlooking more human frailty, whether our own or that of leaders or random people we meet.

    I know that I am like this. If DW and I are fighting I can build a mental case (prosecution) for why she is in error. If DW apologizes or makes some other gesture at reconciliation then my case for prosecution evaporates. So sudden is this shift that it has caused me to wonder, “What changed?”.

    I believe that the principle change is my orientation. If I am feeling wounded or on the defensive then there are ample points of evidence to justify my response. If I feel good and my primary needs are being met then the picture shifts to a much more positive image.

    The state of my marriage doesn’t change often or in significant ways (thank goodness). The bad parts and the good parts coexist and stand at the ready to help me build whatever narrative I need at the moment.

    In relation to the church, I imagine that over time such negative thought patterns could sort of calcify and become permanent fixtures in my brain. Perhaps that is why some are observed to “leave the church but never leave it alone.” I do not necessarily see this as a bad thing – I am sure that our brains would get tired or having to reevaluate their orientations all the time. Just interesting commentary on how my brain functions play out on my perceptual world.

    #293671
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    I think hope is a powerful thing in how our minds filter things.

    When the religion is new or you are young and learning about it…there is so much hope about the truth of it all that so many other things are not even noticed…even if they were always there in the religion.

    When a hope “bubble” bursts…you look around and notice things you didn’t pay attention to before. Just like in relationships. During the honeymoon period…everything is so new and wonderful with beautiful hopes of the future life. After the honeymoon bubble bursts…it doesn’t necessarily mean things changed…except maybe we see things from a different point of view. That other “view” was always there…we just weren’t seeing it before.

    #293672
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    Buddhism undergoes a lot of bowdlerization and glamourization in the west, but it does have certain practical aspects lacking in Mormonism, e.g. meditation… these actually produce physical and psychological changes, whereas we just try to stay in line all the time.

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