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January 6, 2015 at 7:49 pm #209466
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GuestAbout four years ago, our SP called a man to our Bishop. He wasn’t very well liked. People would move out of the Ward, and vow never to return — on a fairly large scale. Sacrament meeting went from over 100 to about 40 on average, And they proved it when they took up new residence, or moved back to this particular city by not living in our Ward boundaries. it didn’t help that SLC also had us leave our building for renovations, and for some reason, stopped work on it. We have been without a building, driving a long distance to a different chapel, for almost 3 years now. I could tell stories, but won’t; suffice to say, there was a lot of suffering, the SP who called the old BP, when he was approached about the problems, told four different people on four different occasions that “he [the SP] wasn’t aware of the problems”. It was clear that the SP wasn’t planning to do anything about the problems. In my view, it also created mistrust about this SP’s integrity. I felt it was because he couldn’t admit the call of the old bishop wasn’t inspired, as a release for earnest but destructive performance might imply.
People in the ward started saying they felt the SP didn’t care about our Ward. I heard it over and over again. And when three stake boundaries were changed, creating a new stake, all of the wards that are low-achieving (including my home ward) ended up as their own stake with a new presidency. This confirmed the belief among members that rightly or wrongly, our old SP didn’t want much to do with these high maintenance, under achieving Wards, and that he didn’t care…a belief I’ve long held about many leaders when it comes to my own situation.
A new SP took over, and within 2 months he replaced the our destructive Bishop. I wasn’t present, but texts and phone messages sent local wireless networks buzzing. I lay in my bed resting, and got regular reports from my family about texts and phone calls they were receiving from members wanting to discuss the change. Some people were actually crying with the feeling of a burden being released. The new Bishop they called is someone I really respect, and his counselors are good people as well.
Within 2 hours of the meeting being over, I got a call from one of the Bishopric members, asking my family to come back to the Ward given the change. He’s unorthodox, this counselor — when I was HPGL, he was actually not active due to personal problems in his life. So, we understood each other — as we have both been on opposite sides of the fence, helping the other person be more churchy at different times. And then, not long afterwards, a new member of the Stake Presidency, a friend who I see regularly in a part-time business we run together, called me and asked if he could come over and be our home teacher. He’s a friend so it’s not a real big change. I said fine. All in the same day.
But guess what. I’ve lost my closet unorthodoxy. I told both of them some of the concerns I had surrounding treatment of volunteers, bullying at church, and my daughter’s refusal to attend that Ward as a result. Not out of any bitterness on her part, but due to finding a much more spiritual, upflifting experience in a different Ward. I also mentioned that my service is currently to the community for professional development, and personal development reasons. I said I would actually like to be in our own Ward, rather than drive all the way to our bootleg ward, but my daughter refuses to go back to our home ward. She told me that if we insist she goes back to that Ward, she’s going in active — no negotiation. (I had to actually pay for counseling for her as she had night terrors and low self-esteem from one particularly disturbing incident involving group, physical violence against her).
I thought I would share. My wife had tears or relief, and I actually felt quite a bit of softened emotion when I reflected on how this new Stake President saw the problems immediately, acted immediately. And also how these leaders FINALLY addressed the problem of leadership abuse and incompetence. It was also clear that when this new SP’s own reputation or perceived “inspired leadership” is no longer in question if he gives a Bishop an early release, he was free to act immediately. But in spite of this, even now, all those negative attitudes I have about the church — egocentrism, taking the most committed people for granted, etcetera, don’t seem to matter…in fact I started feeling like I wanted to reengage again.
I’m wondering how much of my dissafection four years ago was related to the uncaring leaders we had…I just want to say the swift action, followed by the outpouring of caring from the local leaders about a matter dear to me heart, means something to me.
January 6, 2015 at 7:53 pm #293777Anonymous
GuestI have said for a long time that there are two churches in the LDS Church: the global one and the local one. The most important of those two, in nearly all cases, good and bad, is the local one. Thank God for good, sincere, humble leaders everywhere.
January 6, 2015 at 8:52 pm #293778Anonymous
GuestThanks for sharing SD. I’m glad things are better in your ward and I am glad that the new leadership has reached out to you. I went through a couple of bishop changes during my period of inactivity and wanted what happened to you to happen – but it didn’t. A new SP was a different matter, though, and his love in reaching out is what has made the difference. It matters. Pres. Monson talks about these kinds of small acts of kindness all the time. Again, it matters. I understand your daughter’s feelings of not wanting to go back there. There is a ward that I have vowed to myself I will never again set foot in (fortunately it’s not local enough to me that I’d ever have to). On the other hand, over the 25 years that I have been away from that ward I’m sure it has changed, although I’m also sure some of the old guard is still there. Out of curiosity, and being aware of the bullying and other bad things that happened to your daughter there, are those people still there? If she were sure they were gone and no one was there to bother her would she consider going back there?
January 7, 2015 at 12:09 am #293776Anonymous
GuestIt’s understandable for your daughter to not want to go back, regardless of the change in leadership. Switching gears. Right up front, an abusive leader is one thing – gotta do something about that, but here’s some feelings that hit me:
I put myself in the bishop’s shoes. I do that because I haven’t got what I’ll call an outwardly warm personality. I’m not anti-social or anything but I’m not particularly personable, I’m extremely reserved. Many, many times I’ve overheard people make the comment “I like leader Smith because he’s more friendly than leader Young.” Personal preferences make a big difference and in many people’s eyes I’m probably on the non-visible portion of that spectrum. Doesn’t mean I’m not friendly, I just have trouble showing it in ways people might recognize.
Rambling.
One of my worst nightmares is being placed in a leadership position and having people check out over it. If I were made bishop and half the ward left, was released within a period of months and then half the ward returned I can tell you that I would have an extremely difficult time recovering from the experience. It can be a serious hit to someone’s self esteem.
Maybe the SP left him in as BP more for the BP’s sake than to save face. Maybe it was a bit of both. Hard to tell.
January 7, 2015 at 4:32 am #293775Anonymous
GuestDarkJedi wrote:Out of curiosity, and being aware of the bullying and other bad things that happened to your daughter there, are those people still there? If she were sure they were gone and no one was there to bother her would she consider going back there?
There are about three girls there. There were another five girl/bullies who were part of a combined youth program with a different Ward, that eventually went back to separate youth programs. I asked my daughter if she would go back if the bully wasn’t there, and she said “no” one of the girls is the sister of the bully, and the other she doesn’t have anything in common with.
I asked if she was bitter — she said “no”, just hurt and also afraid. She saw the five other bullies at Stake dances and she says she feels genuine fear they will do something to her.
I asked “What if the same kind of girls you know in our “illegal” ward were in our home ward — would you go then? She replied “yes””.
Remember, she never talks about these things and I never bring it up — but that’s the lay of the land.
Thanks for asking.
January 7, 2015 at 4:35 am #293774Anonymous
Guestnibbler wrote:Maybe the SP left him in as BP more for the BP’s sake than to save face. Maybe it was a bit of both. Hard to tell.
I thought of that. Through this, I’ve felt compassion for this ineffective Bishop and hope that, however he was released, they did it with compassion — such as putting him on the High Council, perhaps without any particular Ward or portfolio, or some other position that makes him feel valued and not “put out to pasture”.
No one is caring about that angle, it seems, but I wondered about it. The former SP DID ask him to do the BP thing — he didn’t ask for it. And he deserves compassion, particularly since I think his ineffectiveness was due to a number of factors, such as incompetence, never having a position of power before, poor judgment, or perhaps a twisted view of human nature.
January 12, 2015 at 7:26 pm #293779Anonymous
GuestNew bishop was installed…church was full… Everyone was in a good mood. People came to church they hadn’t seen in years. That was the report. We went there. But everyone is so relieved they released the bold (edited to “old”) old bishop who god appointed to lead them. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk
January 12, 2015 at 7:48 pm #293780Anonymous
GuestNo worries, he can be both. 🙂 -
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