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    This is another topic akin to Pride. I posted earlier I don’t like the term, as it’s become a catch-all for just about any kind of sin imagineable, and has very little meaning to me as a result.

    Yet another term like pride is Honor. We don’t see it as much in the church, other than honorable releases from missions. But it is all over television. AS much as I loved Start Trek, the Next Generation, as soon as it was a Worf episode about his pride, I was done. Turned off the TV.

    To me, it encompasses way too many things, and has so little value to me personally.

    What do you consider to be honor, and what place does it have in the life of someone who is trying to perfect their character?

    #296045
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    I see it as akin to integrity and as the opposite or hypocrisy – a commitment to act as you teach and do what you say you will do.

    #296046
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    Yet in movies it seems to be about personal advantage, being the best, not taking insults — all things that equate with stiffneckedness, and I hate to say it — items consistent with the narrow definition of pride that I gave in the Pride thread.

    #296047
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    Yeah, there is that – as in “Defend your honor.”

    Just like other words, I assign importance to multiple definitions in whatever way makes the most sense to me. :P I understand them and their usage, but I don’t internalize the ones I don’t like.

    #296048
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    My reactions was similar to Ray’s … it seems to be about integrity.

    We honor God, honor our marriage, honor our covenants, honor the priesthood, honor the worth of others.

    It has the same root as the word honesty.

    Scouts will be taught to repeat…

    Quote:

    On my honor, I will do my best, to do my duty, to God and my country.

    I do see the tie to the office and reputation of a person.

    I’m trying to think of when honor is a bad thing.

    Got any examples?

    #296049
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    I believe honor is having character. My wife was raised in a very overbearing household, where her parents expected their children to obey every demand without question. When my wife moved away from home and went to college, they had to know every detail of her daily life. If she didn’t call home and share those details, they would become irate; screaming and yelling that she wasn’t ‘honoring’ her parents. They liked to use scriptures to give their kids guilt trips and to manipulate them into obeying their every demand. After we were married, and I saw the demands they were putting on her, I started to get her to start thinking and acting for herself; doing what she wanted to do instead of how they (or I) wanted her to do. They accused me of brainwashing her, and said that I was teaching her not to honor her parents. My father-in-law was a bishop at the time, so I met with him personally and had a long talk about what it means to ‘honor’ your parents. I told him that he was exercising unrighteous dominion over his daughter, and that he was trying so hard to hold onto her that it was going to eventually end up in her not wanting to have anything to do with him. I also told him that honoring your parents does not mean obeying your parents every word. It means that you live your life in a way that your parents would be proud of the decisions you’re making. I asked him if he was proud of his daughter. -Yes- I asked him if he trusted his daughter to make wise decisions. -Yes- Then the best thing he could do as a father would be to show her that he trusted her to make her own decisions and live her life. She makes honorable decisions everyday that he should be proud of. I honor my parents by the way I treat the people around me, not by asking them to tell me how to live my life. I think that also applies to how we can honor our heavenly parents.

    #296050
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    There’s “honor thy father and thy mother” which I think most people interpret as “obey” your father and mother. The PoGP and being a convert helped me to come up with an alternate interpretation.

    1) Where would Abraham have ended up if he obeyed his father?

    2) Where would I be if I listened to my parents and didn’t join up with the true church?

    You’ve got to walk with me in my orthodox shoes for a little while…

    So there must be something more to honoring one’s parents. I don’t think it means to obey them blindly, to follow orders even when it goes against your morals. I think another angle that can be worked is to say that once truth can be seen more clearly that my parents might be in a position to see how my actions brought the family closer to that restored truth. Maybe I helped the family shed some unfavorable traditions, I honored them. I can similarly honor the church. I don’t blindly obey but I try to live in such a way as to ensure that the highest standard is being carried forward. That might cause some friction when one party gets “ahead” of the other but that’s life.

    This post feels like a thread jack where I’m only expanding the definition. 😳

    Old-Timer wrote:

    I see it as akin to integrity and as the opposite or hypocrisy – a commitment to act as you teach and do what you say you will do.

    I think the word also implies that the actions are good and moral. For instance, someone could say:

    I’m going to lie, cheat, and steal today then go about lying, cheating, and stealing.

    I don’t think anyone would immediately jump on using “honor” to describe that person but they might say something like “at least they’re honest.”

    #296051
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    Wow Holy Cow, your response showed up right after I hit submit. How’s that for timing?

    #296052
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    nibbler wrote:

    Wow Holy Cow, your response showed up right after I hit submit. How’s that for timing?

    Ha! I’m glad you posted with similar thoughts. You were able to clearly put into words what I was trying to say with my incoherent rambling! :D

    #296053
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    Holy Cow wrote:

    nibbler wrote:

    Wow Holy Cow, your response showed up right after I hit submit. How’s that for timing?

    Ha! I’m glad you posted with similar thoughts. You were able to clearly put into words what I was trying to say with my incoherent rambling! :D

    Funny, I honestly liked your comments better. Different perspectives that converge on a similar conclusion on what it means to honor our parents.

    #296054
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    Get a room! ;)

    #296055
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    Heber13 wrote:

    Got any examples?

    Yes — when someone from another family insults you, you go out and challenge them to a duel, or some kind of challenge to defend your family “honor”. To me, that’s about the bad form of pride where you think so highly of yourself you feel you must punish other people who behave in an insulting way toward you. It makes for great TV drama, but I think it’s a terrible way to function in society.

    I find a lot of movies focus on people defending their “honor” when really, they are simply retaliating for insults given.

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    Old-Timer wrote:

    Get a room! ;)


    :D what a hard-nosed moderator!

    #296057
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    Quote:

    And it came to pass that Adam, being tempted of the devil—for, behold, the devil was before Adam, for he rebelled against me, saying, Give me thine honor, which is my power; and also a third part of the hosts of heaven turned he away from me because of their agency; ( D&C 29:36)


    Why is the honor of God the power of God? I see it as His power because he is all good. He always keeps his word. He is perfectly charitable. When he asks the elements to organize, they do because they honor him.

    I see the same in D&C 121. If we follow the principles in that section, we not only are called to leadership but are chosen. Not only do we have authority but we have power in our leadership. Because the people we lead respect us. From this honor they are more likely to follow their leader.

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