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March 24, 2015 at 4:08 pm #209667
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GuestHi…perhaps something Ray didn’t explain to all of you when you were asked to be moderators…is that from time to time I share behind these moderator-eyes-only topics updates about myself because I like sharing with friends. Sorry…but it comes with the job of moderator to tolerate Kevin (Heber13). …when we last left the hero of my story (yes…I’m talking 3rd person about myself now)…I’m just not ready to post this out on the Internet for all to see, for many reasons…
Mental illness in the marriage set me into my faith journey wondering why these “blessings of the gospel” or temple blessings or revelation and prayer were not working in my circumstance of a bipolar BPD wife, and the breakdown of what I held most dear…my eternal family, for which no success in life compensates for failure as a husband or father. Teachings from good intentioned church leaders and others didn’t help, and certainly didn’t fit my personal experiences. This caused me serious personal study on revelation, including the mental state of Joseph Smith now being viewed through having personal experiences with my former wife and her mental illnesses, opening my mind to new possibilities about truth claims from the church.
Fast Forward…me finding peace, posting on StayLDS to cope with faith challenges and reforming it in light of my life experience, enduring worsening unhealthy behaviors from my ex-wife, her suicide attempts, emotional abuse to kids from their mom, our separation and divorce, and enduring personal attacks from an unstable ex that results in me spending 5 days in jail for false accusations of abuse that I did not do, and the legal battle afterwards to keep my record clean despite the judgment of others and loss of long time friends who support my ex wife and don’t understand her mental illness. It got ugly, and I was alone. Even people I respected turned on me. One guy was executive secretary in the bishopric when I was 1st counselor. He started dating my ex, and told everyone how I had apostatized, left the church, and treated my ex abusively…all based on lies she told about me.
Another guy was 2nd counselor in the bishopric when I was 1st counselor. He won’t talk to me anymore, and his wife went to the court room to provide support for my ex as they had me in a red prison jump suit, handcuffed and shackled at the ankles and read the charges I was faced with and potentially a minimum 5 year no parole prison term should they convict me of charges for a felony I didn’t commit. It was then I saw who my real friends were. And there weren’t many. After six months of investigation, the DA dropped all charges…they had no evidence and my record was so clean the charges didn’t make sense, and they were aware of the mental state of my ex. It cost me $10,000 to prove I was innocent, and 6 months of hell. But they dropped charges which my lawyer said “in my whole career, I’ve never seen this happen for felony charges. Typically it goes to trial and that is a roll of the dice with a jury.” He asked if I was religious, because this was a miracle.
God’s hand? Hmmm. Something for me to decide, I think. Why would God allow such a horrible experience, only to have it dismissed? Oh…and by the way…they didn’t “Prove” I was innocent…just had no proof to press charges…so yes…some people still believe I did it and got away with assault with a deadly weapon. God didn’t seem to take care of that. It follows me. It makes it hard for me to make any sense of God.
Well…here I am. Surviving. Broke. Relationship with my kids intact. Still attending church and teaching High Priest Group. Accept the truth in the goodness from the church and gospel messages, but realize how much legendary myths and stories and traditions are in our church experience today, and accept it for what it is. Myth. And Myth is important to our lives. We like stories. We like to believe and have hope. The church provides that. I personally believe most of the bible stories teach principles like allegories do, but are just stories embellished over time and not historically accurate and that is OK. For example, Job wasn’t even a real guy…but few know that. We just accept what we’ve been taught about the flood, Israel, etc. The BOM is likely made up by Joseph and Oliver thinking they were receiving revelations, and must have been guided to infuse gospel lessons, but I doubt the actual events happened at all the way it is laid out in the BOM, just like the BOA isn’t really from funeral texts. The lessons are good…but the details are sketchy. I think the church is a good attempt of establishing things to teach people and raise families, just like other churches do. Temples, ordinances, revelations, prophets all fit into that paradigm for me. I don’t take teachings literally.
Along my journey I have seen how people react around me to my events. I learn from that, and how people see what they want to see. We see through the glass darkly, so we really have no other choice. We choose to see it somehow, with a story that makes sense to us, and others choose that too, and the differences aren’t about being right or wrong, but about the person and how they choose to see it from their point of view…which isn’t wrong but isn’t the only right. Actions are right or wrong (love vs hate), but the stories told about the actions are just one person’s interpretation of events.
After my divorce, I met a girl online using LDSSingles.com…we’ve dated a year. She lives in Montana, I live in Colorado…the long distance was good for me since my divorce was only a year since I was dating. Along the way, little blessings have been happening to me, despite my struggles. I choose to see these tender mercies as evidence the Lord knows me and wants me to find my way. Little sign posts along the way remind me to keep faith in what is important. And that many things I use to think were truth, are really not so important to our happiness or eternal life.
March 24, 2015 at 4:19 pm #296919Anonymous
GuestOK…this month has been even more miraculous to me. March 2nd my boss tells me they are moving my position to Australia, but they are not moving me to Australia (get the hint?). I need to start looking for a new job. 4 days later, a job offer comes in for me in the town that my girlfriend lives in, in Montana. In fact, she is a nurse in a hospital…and the job is in her hospital. The offer was a good one, financially would really help our family.
I could not shake the feeling that God was pushing me towards goodness in my life. The timing of events (not just once, but multiple times) seems way too coincidental for me to explain as random chance for my situation. This woman I met on an LDS site is kind, caring, struggling with her testimony in church, and has shared similar experiences from her first marriage that I have (minus the jail time). Could God be putting me in her life to help her, could he be pushing her to me to help me…are we good for each other? How could we both be so perfect for each other and found each other in this big world at times when we both needed each other? Or does stuff just happen?
This is where I get to decide the story, and what to believe. But yes…I believe God’s hand is intervening and giving me opportunities to survive this life. He didn’t seem to intervene to help me help my mentally ill wife (at the time), or to help keep my family together and protect my kids from divorce. I don’t understand that. At times I thought I needed it most, I felt alone. Then, when I stopped believing God cares about me, or even if he is there, small little things happen that make me want to believe again.
2 weeks ago, I asked her to marry me…we are engaged for a June wedding. We are not interested in a temple wedding yet. She has issues with the temple. I love her more for that…as we are both healing from our prior experiences and temple sealings to people who were destructive in our lives. We don’t know how to make sense of the church rules on allowing me to be sealed to more than one wife, but she has to have her sealing canceled…yes…it is polygamy being taught in the temple and we both hate that. So…we are getting married outside the temple, just as I would want it for now. She is so perfect for me. She loves the church, but hates some of the things leaders and ward members did and treated her during her divorce…so she keeps church at arms length but has a faith to want to believe and share it with a husband some day…and now…that will be me.
In a week from now I will start a new job, prepare for a wedding, and start integrating families and kids (she happens to have 4 kids, same exact age as my 4 kids…like they are all within a couple months of each other…we just have had so many similarities on our lives it is fun). It will be a Brady Bunch scene.
There are challenges ahead. But I think they are survivable. I’ve survived so far.
I have faith that God is aware and lets things happen. I can’t explain some of the experiences I’ve had and the timing of some blessings…and when I can’t explain it…I use my faith and thank God for them. I don’t know what else to do. But I have no expectation or confidence to know when God will do something, and when He won’t. I just roll with it. And I plan to be active in a new ward where I can be me and my unorthodox, heterodox testimony. And if they don’t accept me, I’ll no angst about stepping away. My life is mine…with or without the church.
I wanted to share that with all of you. I’m getting remarried, to a mormon, outside the temple and she has a wonderful perspective that is perfect for me.
In fact, we’ve found the location of a Buddhist Garden in Montana we want to be married in. We have asked my friend, an ordained minister who is Presbytarian, to marry us. We told him,
Quote:“We’re two mormons asking a presbytarian to marry us at the Buddghist Garden that sits on an Indian reservation in Montana. Will that work?”
He said, “That’s crazy! I love it.”
That is my story up until now. I’ll be super busy the next month. Will try to stop in and keep moderating, but wanted to share my events in case my participation is light.
Thanks all. My belief in God is a choice. Good things have happened, horrible things have happened. It could be that no God exists but I like believing these things happen for a reason, or it could be God is there and allows me to be alone and allows things to happen. The church history, teachings and doctrine are one thing for me to process…but life experience is another and I combine it all into my faith.
I think I get to choose what story makes sense to me. And I choose to StayLDS.
Thanks for letting me share. Thanks for all the support over the years from so many of you. It has helped.
Kevin McBride
(Heber13)
March 24, 2015 at 4:24 pm #296920Anonymous
GuestI am SO happy for you, my friend. :clap: :clap: Quote:“We’re two mormons asking a presbytarian to marry us at the Buddghist Garden that sits on an Indian reservation in Montana. Will that work?”
That might be the best thing I’ve ever read on the internet.
March 24, 2015 at 4:37 pm #296921Anonymous
GuestThanks ray. And thanks for your friendship over the years. March 24, 2015 at 5:04 pm #296922Anonymous
GuestI am so happy for you!!! Heber13 wrote:Thanks all. My belief in God is a choice. Good things have happened, horrible things have happened. It could be that no God exists but I like believing these things happen for a reason, or it could be God is there and allows me to be alone and allows things to happen. The church history, teachings and doctrine are one thing for me to process…but life experience is another and I combine it all into my faith.
I totally agree.
Life is so much better shared. I really hope that this wonderful woman you have met will be your true journey companion. (I could have used the term “soul mate” but I absolutely disagree with all the predestination baggage that gets implied by the term.)
My FC was caused by my confusion about why bad things happen to good people. I believe that my FC has put me in a position to rejoice more deeply and authenticly when good things do happen.
You are a good man Kevin and I am rejoicing now!
:clap: :thumbup: :clap: March 24, 2015 at 5:06 pm #296923Anonymous
Guest:clap: Thanks so much for sharing. Your story gives me hope and I’m happy for you, I truly am.
Quote:Hi…perhaps something Ray didn’t explain to all of you when you were asked to be moderators…is that from time to time I share behind these moderator-eyes-only topics updates about myself because I like sharing with friends. Sorry…but it comes with the job of moderator to tolerate Kevin (Heber13).
I toyed with the idea of doing this myself, tear down all my walls so the admins could know the “real” me (if such a thing exists) since I don’t feel comfortable going “public.” In the end I didn’t want to exercise unrighteous whatever immediately after getting a little authority.
:angel: I’m so glad you posted your story though. It’s helping me today.
March 24, 2015 at 5:30 pm #296924Anonymous
GuestThanks for sharing – really. And congrats! :clap: :clap: :clap: I truly hope you can find peace and happiness.Like Nibbler said, I too have considered opening up a bit more to the staff here. I have only shared most of my story with one other person here (SBRed via PM). I am now inspired to open that door a bit more to you, my friends here. It might take a bit, though, because I like to be precise in my the details and it’s sometimes hard to be precise when talking about feelings and emotions.
March 24, 2015 at 8:53 pm #296925Anonymous
GuestRoy wrote:I could have used the term “soul mate” but I absolutely disagree with all the predestination baggage that gets implied by the term.
Interesting you mention that…she has used that term…and she believes there is divine intervention in our relationship. She knows where I’m at with my faith and doesn’t pressure me, but she believes it.
My journey with StayLDS has helped me to be open to these things and they help in my relationships. Because I don’t have to disagree with her view, and I can find ways to believe there is a special connection between us and how nicely we fit each other…and if she wants to label that fit as “soul mates” or “predestined to find each other”…I’m OK with that. I don’t have to be blunt and argue it…it is one way to express our deep connection we’ve had in a short amount of time.
That is how the church works for me. Many things expressed by people at church are about how they are trying to express their deep emotions…even if I find some things as inaccurate in a literal way…but I can accept the difference and understand what others mean by what they express.
nibbler wrote:I toyed with the idea of doing this myself,
…peer pressure…
😈 …everyone is doing it, your parents will never know…just do it! haha. Thanks nibbler. Thanks for your kind words and for your PMs.DarkJedi wrote:I truly hope you can find peace and happiness.
Thanks DJ. Yes…I’m on a good path forward. Montana seems peaceful. I’m headed there.
March 24, 2015 at 9:10 pm #296926Anonymous
GuestHeber13 – Thank you for today’s good cry. My emotions are so close to the surface already and darn it all you lit the fuse. Blessings my friend to you. And FYI – you have kept your story very well here. I never would have suspected it. Thank you for giving to us, when so much was being taken from you.
March 24, 2015 at 10:24 pm #296927Anonymous
GuestThanks mom3. Your response made me emotional… 😥 …maybe we just all need a good cry and big group hug??Serious though…I like what Roy and others said and think we do like to share…and connect. It helps.
I’m starting a whole new chapter in life. We keep moving forward.
One of my favorite quotes my fiance sent me last year when we were dating applies to all of us that go through transitions…
Quote:Sometimes our lives have to be shaken up, changed, & rearranged to relocate us to the place we are meant to be.
March 24, 2015 at 10:35 pm #296928Anonymous
Guestmom3 wrote:Heber13 –
Thank you for giving to us, when so much was being taken from you.
My thought, too. And now I realize that I didn’t know the half of it. Really, really happy for you.
March 25, 2015 at 1:03 am #296929Anonymous
GuestYour fiancé’s quote explains how I feel about all the moves that have been part of my life. Each one made little if any sense at the time, but, in hindsight, we always could tell why it simply had to be – the location for someone in the family, not the job that took us there through me. In a very real way, my life hasn’t been about me primarily. I’m okay with that.
Maybe, as much as you need her, she needs you. If we have helped make this possible in some way, I feel blessed beyond measure.
March 25, 2015 at 9:10 pm #296930Anonymous
GuestThanks everyone. You’re all awesome. March 26, 2015 at 4:31 pm #296931Anonymous
GuestThat’s really great news Kevin! Gosh, I know you’ve been through so much that past several years. We’ve had several long conversations about that as you went through it. I’m really glad things are starting to work out for you. You guys are all so awesome! Thanks for being who you are and doing what you all do.
March 26, 2015 at 5:12 pm #296932Anonymous
GuestThanks Brian. We all have shitty stuff in life to go through. But we can get through it. I’ll call you this weekend. You’re all officially invited to the wedding! June 6th in Missoula Montana…in a Buddhist Garden, on an Indian reservation

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