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    Some of us have mentioned that broken expectations have been a stumbling block in our continued activity in the LDS Church.

    Today, in our combined RS and PH meeting, someone showed a video of Uchdorft indicating that service should be selfless — that we should leave the “Self” out of it. That everyone wants recognition, (for example) and that we should serve without any expectation of it. He commented that its no wonder that the “Selfy” is has been awarded the number 1 word of the year…everyone laughed.

    But seriously, can we serve completely selflessly? Can the average person put in 10-20 hours a week in service to our chosen organizations on a consistent basis (such as over a period of years) without expecting anything in return? If so, how can this be done? What attitudes do you need? If not, why, and what should a person expect from their service?

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    Yes, selfless service is the ideal – and, yes, it is possible.

    No, but some can. It’s not the amount of time that is the primary issue; it is the attitude. However, an easy amount probably isn’t selfless.

    Real love – true charity. Selfless service is a decent definition.

    #297113
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    I do. As my kids have grown and are no longer in full time need of a mom, I have some community service I do with the only purpose is to give hungry kids food. That’s it no more. I don’t do 10 hours a week, my life isn’t that free yet, but a couple hours every week I can. When I find out about other things, I jump in if I have time.

    Now I do also arrange the service in my ward, so those get attention and that sometimes becomes a sales pitch, but I look at it as me helping someone else to have a community service opportunity.

    Now VT – I do that just to be guilt free when the lesson on VT comes around. ;)

    #297114
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    Old-Timer wrote:

    An easy amount probably isn’t selfless.

    Can you describe what you mean by this Ray?

    Also, as someone who has worked with a lot of volunteers, I find the average person can’t sustain 10 – 20 hours of service over the long term unless they are either young adults, or near fully retired people. First of all, most won’t commit to that, and when they commit to even a lower level of service, I find they often quit if the project takes longer than a few months. In fact, the best way of getting people to serve is if you need them for 1 or 2 hours here and there…in my experience. This is speaking in terms of averages.

    Now, a couple exceptions — I notice Bishops and SP’s serve at this level for years — 5-10 years. Do you think they are getting something in return for all that service, even if intangible?

    #297115
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    SilentDawning wrote:

    Some of us have mentioned that broken expectations have been a stumbling block in our continued activity in the LDS Church.

    Today, in our combined RS and PH meeting, someone showed a video of Uchdorft indicating that service should be selfless — that we should leave the “Self” out of it. That everyone wants recognition, (for example) and that we should serve without any expectation of it. He commented that its no wonder that the “Selfy” is has been awarded the number 1 word of the year…everyone laughed.

    But seriously, can we serve completely selflessly? Can the average person put in 10-20 hours a week in service to our chosen organizations on a consistent basis (such as over a period of years) without expecting anything in return? If so, how can this be done? What attitudes do you need? If not, why, and what should a person expect from their service?

    Can we really serve selfless if we are wearing a bright yellow with green boarders bib that says “Mormon Helping Hands”? If by wearing the bib, we are expecting something in return (respect from the community, future converts, etc) have we failed? How is this “service” compatible with Matthew 6: 1-4

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    1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

    2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

    3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

    4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

    #297116
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    Does all service have to be anonymous, or is that meant to focus on individual alms? I think the latter, personally.

    Some service needs organized, visible effort. Jesus didn’t condemn non-secret alms; he merely said, “They have their reward.” Even he served openly and publicly on a regular basis.

    #297117
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    “Selfless” can be taken to an extreme to where it can be counterproductive. Like all things in life, there is a balance called wisdom.

    The Savior did not get crucified for giving anonymous selfless service under the radar that nobody was aware of. While He did many times show that as examples, there are appropriate times that He stood and identified who He was, and what His mission was, and how others should listen to His message, drawing enough attention that crowds of people followed Him.

    I don’t see the church at fault for yellow helping hands shirts identifying the organization that coordinated good works. In fact, I see it likely that publicity came out of criticism the church is rich and doesn’t care to do humanitarian efforts…and to dispel that…they try to balance some publicity while avoiding publicity whoremongering.

    I do not see the personal blessings the bishop receives for his hours of effort to be unrighteous.

    I see the “correct” expectations are needed, not “no expectations”. Let God have the glory. But please give me the strength to do God’s will. I cannot do it alone with no confirmation that my service is not important. As the old saying goes…”Popularity comes from pleasing people, greatness comes from pleasing God.”

    #297118
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    I remember hearing someone long ago make the argument that there is no such thing as selfless service. They drilled down to the level of feeling happy about having served people as evidence that no service can be 100% selfless. They may have drilled down too deep, I don’t think people are capable of operating 100% outside of emotions.

    We probably have a need to get something out of the things we dedicate so much time to and we probably want our relationships to be reciprocal/symbiotic as well.

    Here’s an example. Say I really want to help at a shelter by cooking food for homeless people but when I show up they already have enough cooks so they assign me to do janitorial work. I serve as janitor for years but my passion is cooking. Every few months I ask if I can help with the cooking but I’m always told to clean the bathrooms. Do I change my expectations and tell myself that cleaning the bathrooms is just as important of a service to provide or do I follow my passions and look for some other homeless shelter than needs a cook?

    #297119
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    I agree, Nibbler. Or many will not want any recognition in this life but know it will benefit them in the next life. Even that is a selfish motive to be rewarded in heaven or to please God.

    #297120
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    Sheldon asked

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    Can we really serve selfless if we are wearing a bright yellow with green boarders bib that says “Mormon Helping Hands”?

    My Stake has a pretty cool policy on those, they will only use them if we are responding to a disaster or helping in a large scale effort, like a Katrina type thing. Last year we served food for the fire fighters in a major nearby blaze – the vests helped people know who we were, not to be praised but for safety control and so on.

    When we do a community service as a Stake, like cleaning a cemetery – it’s just wear your Saturday work clothes.

    This has been the policy of two Stake Presidents back to back. I like it.

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