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April 8, 2015 at 3:36 pm #209714
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GuestMust admit one thing I’ve never understood is the need to cry on the podium, and in some cases it comes over as forced. I’m not a great weeper myself but do I need to crush the onions every time I get up to speak? April 8, 2015 at 5:43 pm #297650Anonymous
GuestSamBee wrote:Must admit one thing I’ve never understood is the need to cry on the podium, and in some cases it comes over as forced. I’m not a great weeper myself but do I need to crush the onions every time I get up to speak?
When I get emotional I often get teary eyed. I HATE it – immensely! As a member of a bishopric I had to give a testimony once every 3 months. I hated it. I have even asked my therapist if she knew of anything that could help with that. She actually suggested getting my family Dr. to give me some kind of relaxing pill and that might help. So I have to take drugs to keep from bawling at the pulpit. Sounds so stupid.April 8, 2015 at 6:45 pm #297651Anonymous
GuestLookingHard wrote:SamBee wrote:Must admit one thing I’ve never understood is the need to cry on the podium, and in some cases it comes over as forced. I’m not a great weeper myself but do I need to crush the onions every time I get up to speak?
When I get emotional I often get teary eyed. I HATE it – immensely! As a member of a bishopric I had to give a testimony once every 3 months. I hated it. I have even asked my therapist if she knew of anything that could help with that. She actually suggested getting my family Dr. to give me some kind of relaxing pill and that might help. So I have to take drugs to keep from bawling at the pulpit. Sounds so stupid.I am a sobber!!! I agree with lookingHard, I absolutely hate it, I think it must be genetic? I cannot control myself up there and have realized a lot of it is my nerves. I envy people like you SamBee!!! I find the people that stay strong and give these amazing testimonies and talks without weeping are super strong and I take them just as seriously. The crying just gets the kids to stop talking cause they wonder what is with that crazy woman up there?
April 8, 2015 at 7:29 pm #297652Anonymous
GuestQuote:Let me offer a word of caution on this subject. I think if we are not careful as professional teachers working in the classroom every day, we may begin to try to counterfeit the true influence of the Spirit of the Lord by unworthy and manipulative means. I get concerned when it appears that strong emotion or free-flowing tears are equated with the presence of the Spirit. Certainly the Spirit of the Lord can bring strong emotional feelings, including tears, but that outward manifestation ought not to be confused with the presence of the Spirit itself.
– Howard W. Hunter
That said, I think some people are just more emotional. I probably shouldn’t say this, but I joke with my boys every time Pres. Eyring stands up to speak about how long it will take him to start crying (it averages less than two minutes on the ones I have timed). That’s just the way he is, and I know others who are also that way. While I am not especially fond of it, crying neither validates or invalidates testimony to me. While I believe some like Pres. Eyring are sincere in their tears and really can’t help it, I also believe there are some who purposely turn them on (perhaps building a Potemkin village?). I’m certainly not a blubberer, but I do occasionally tear up, but not to the point I’m unable to continue (I’m generally familiar enough with my talks that I can get out the gist of the words without reading them) and perhaps not even so much that audience really notices (who really pays attention to high councilors anyway?) I am far more likely to blubber during some hymns (How Great Thou Art, for instance), and while I can’t sing I also try not to draw attention to myself.
So, no SamBee, you don’t need to crush the onions. If it happens, it happens, so be it. If it doesn’t happen to you, that’s fine – I think we need to not fake it.
April 8, 2015 at 7:30 pm #297653Anonymous
GuestI’m an emotional wreck, although my mood stabilizer does help a little with that. ^^ I got a little emotional while telling a personal story during my relief society lesson the other week. No tears, just a cracking voice and a lot more gestures to distract my body to keep me from crying. Am weird that way.
Some may be forced, as it were, but some of us are just leaky waterworks.
April 8, 2015 at 7:46 pm #297654Anonymous
GuestThis is a great example of recognizing and respecting legitimate differences – like not letting the sound of someone’s voice automatically make us judge that person. Personally, I find the denigration of “the Primary voice” to be incredibly sexist (since it implies only women who sound more like men should be respected), but I can’t say that around many of my friends, since they see that voice as damaging to women in real ways. It’s okay to see things differently and to react differently in the same situations. Sometimes, things just are.
April 8, 2015 at 8:56 pm #297655Anonymous
GuestDarkJedi wrote:I probably shouldn’t say this, but I joke with my boys every time Pres. Eyring stands up to speak about how long it will take him to start crying (it averages less than two minutes on the ones I have timed). That’s just the way he is
I will out do you. So you are talking about Henry B Crying? I actually noticed it once he was in the 1st presidency that almost every talk he is fighting it. My response was, “Oh crap, if he can’t keep from crying then this isn’t something I am going to grow or mature out of!!!!” Grrr.April 8, 2015 at 9:14 pm #297656Anonymous
GuestI can’t say that I’ve ever seen someone turn on the waterworks in a purposely manipulative way over the pulpit. Outside the context of churchy things yes I’ve seen crying used for manipulative ends. Many times. I have these nagging doubts though. Sometimes people use crying to manipulate other times they are completely unaware that that’s what they are doing and I honestly have a very hard time distinguishing the two. I might think someone is trying to be manipulative but from their perspective they’re just expressing true emotion.
I was a testimony crier, so I get it. Sharing well guarded personal thoughts and feelings can create lots of stress on our psyche.
I like the quote above about not assuming that crying is a sure fire indicator that someone is feeling the spirit. I think we jump to that conclusion too often.
When I was reading this
the thought occurred to me. Perhaps we cry because we are really putting our neck out when sharing our innermost thoughts and are subconsciously worried that we’ll be rejected by our tribe. Tears can cause the tribe to come to our aid, so they are a defense mechanism to ensure that our innermost thoughts aren’t ostracizing us.http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/crying-when-talking-authority ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/crying-when-talking-authority April 8, 2015 at 9:19 pm #297657Anonymous
GuestLookingHard wrote:DarkJedi wrote:I probably shouldn’t say this, but I joke with my boys every time Pres. Eyring stands up to speak about how long it will take him to start crying (it averages less than two minutes on the ones I have timed). That’s just the way he is
I will out do you. So you are talking about Henry B Crying? I actually noticed it once he was in the 1st presidency that almost every talk he is fighting it. My response was, “Oh crap, if he can’t keep from crying then this isn’t something I am going to grow or mature out of!!!!” Grrr.That’s the other thing. I would have assumed that people would grow accustomed to the feeling after a while. You cry the first few years but after a while putting yourself out there so often becomes second nature.
Like I said, I’m a testimony crier but I don’t cry nearly as much as I used to. Only when relating deep personal things to people, things that don’t have anything to do with religion and things I don’t relate with great frequency.
Wanna stop crying? Do what I did. Die inside just a little bit.
:angel: April 8, 2015 at 9:42 pm #297658Anonymous
GuestSambee, I wish I had your problem. I have to speak fairly often in Sacrament meeting and try to remind myself I don’t need to cry about the smallest emotional thing. For me if the talk is emotional I tend to get a little choked up. I think it’s the anxiety that goes with public speaking mixed with talking about something emotional. At work I talk to groups of up to 100+ but of course never cry. I do want to be sincere but I dislike crying also but I rarely think poorly of someone who cries unless it comes across as fake. April 8, 2015 at 9:48 pm #297659Anonymous
GuestI have to say, I have definitely witnessed some fake testimony tears, but most of the time I feel they are sincere. I had a YW Pres. who used to tell us how much she loved us while shedding tears, but she told another story behind the scenes. I used to roll my eyes like crazy and begged my mom to get me out of there. She was a fake! My DH came home laughing after a ward council because a 21 year old kid started bearing his testimony of food storage with big crocodile tears. He said it was the weirdest thing ever since this kid came from a wealthy home and has never used food storage before. DH said it definitely was for show and really didnt understand where the heck it came from. haha But could someone please prescribe me something, cause I cry over everything!! My seminary kids think I am insane. Thankfully, I have gotten a lot better this year for them, but no better at the stand. ANNOYING!!
April 8, 2015 at 10:10 pm #297660Anonymous
GuestI have seen people – like high councilors who speak often – carry a bottle of water with them up to the stand. One guy I know seems to take a drink when he starts to get teary. The pause and the drinking of water seem to help him control the tears. I think taking a bottle of water wouldn’t be viewed negatively or strange. April 9, 2015 at 12:29 am #297661Anonymous
GuestRoadrunner wrote:I have seen people – like high councilors who speak often – carry a bottle of water with them up to the stand. One guy I know seems to take a drink when he starts to get teary. The pause and the drinking of water seem to help him control the tears. I think taking a bottle of water wouldn’t be viewed negatively or strange.
Thanks. I will try that. Maybe if it is Everclear in a water bottle!
April 9, 2015 at 2:59 am #297662Anonymous
GuestI like to joke with my DH that I am part Vulcan because I don’t get emotional very often. I’m not a crier when it comes to church stuff 99% of the time. In fact growing up I always thought there was something wrong with me because I’d be at girls camp and everyone would be crying during testimony meeting, except me. Maybe I need to try the onion thing
April 10, 2015 at 2:38 pm #297663Anonymous
GuestI have to admit, I haven’t really cried much in my life, and when I have, I have tended to do so in private. The thing I don’t get about people crying in testimonies and talks etc, is that they’re supposed to be happy, yet they are behaving as if something terrible has happened to them! I know in some cases that the tears are sincere, but there are times, when some people do seem to force themselves to cry, which I find weird. It’s almost an expected event. (We keep tissues near the stand.) It feels like one of those Spielberg films, where he seems desperate to make people cry.
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