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    I thought I was making strides in my life and then wamo, I am no longer want to go to church and I am getting angry at how everything is in my life. I’m not happy, it seems everything I want or wanted to do in life has just come to a standstill. God doesn’t care about what I do for a living. I wanted to do something that had meaning where I could have a modest income. I have studied, worked hard, even swallowed my pride. I went to the temple yesterday for the first session of an endowment session, just so I could go into the Celestial Room so I could commune. No answer came except for the words of the Jars of Clay song Flood, which I hadn’t listened to in a week: “My world is a flood, slowly I become one with the mud. Dark skies all around me . . . etc. splashing in the ocean I’m losing control. But if I can’t swim after 40 days and my mind is thrashed by the crashing ways lift me up so high that I cannot fall . . . . This was my spiritual experience? What is happening to me? My calling in church got changed. I’ve been doing a new calling for the past two to three months. My Elders’ quorum was changed. I got rejected from another Ph.D. program that I applied to. I got reassigned departments at work. Even Disneyland sucked the last time I went. I am starting to have physical ailments as I approach middle-age. My reaction today was to box up all of my religious books, LDS books, and all of my history books to un-clutter my life. I have started to doubt my purpose in life. I went a route I thought the Lord told me to go, and I hit another brick wall. I just want to make more money without altruistic ideals. As long as it is legal, I tell myself. I am keeping the standard works out, and my ETB Priesthood manual just in case I can handle to be spiritual again. General conference just sounded like the same Sunday school answers: Pray, Read your scriptures, Pay your Fast offering, attend the temple and do service. I think the better advice would be to duck and cover and kiss your butt good bye then the Nuke hits. That’s sound/practical advice too, isn’t it? Troubled and dismayed is what I am. Hope you all had a better day then me. 👿

    #297909
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    J — When I read your post, I felt a flood of negativity about your life….I understand how it can feel as I have those moments as well.

    You know what I think one possible solution to your problem is — keep being proactive. Keep starving the negativity and focus on proactive steps that will help you achieve your goals. I’d also consider focusing on one or maybe two objectives right now — perhaps the PhD or the job. Nothing else. When you feel overwhelmed (as I often do) tackling problems one a time is the way to go. Start with something easy on your to-do list every day as well to build momentum.

    Also, don’t expect religion to help you get out of the apparent rut you are in. I don’t personally expect God to help me. I leave myself open that he will, and believe he often intervenes in ways that I am not aware of, but my mantra is constant pressure on problems through hard work. And in spite of my high expectations of others, I have low expectations from God. Otherwise, I feel this vacuum when I pray and nothing happens immediately. But the hard work — that’s like a magnet that eventually attracts the help you need. As Steven Leacock, the Canadian Humorist once said “the harder I work, the luckier I get”.

    Eventually, problems unlock — most of them. Those that don’t unlock are fewer than the ones that do.

    I’d even be interested in hearing more specifics about one of the items — perhaps your PhD as I am in the middle of one. Why were you rejected? What kinds of schools were you applying to? For what programs? What others might you consider?

    Regarding your job search — what methods are you using? What is the feedback you are getting from your job search efforts? Is there an LDS social services near you that can help you? Feel free to PM anything you’re not comfortable with in the public forum.

    Also, I know how to frame up a killer job interview elevator speech based on a personality test. I could probably get you a free access code to the test (Gallup Strengths Finder — I’m a trained consultant — gratis for you) and can help you learn how to create an elevator speech that has the power of authenticity behind it that could resonate with employers.

    Anyway, I would recommend some quiet meditation and mental thinking that bolsters your belief you can succeed and that you really are in control — more than you think.

    Hope to hear more from you…

    SD

    #297910
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    Jamison – So get it. Maybe the details are different but I do hear you.

    My best advice is go with Silent Dawnings advice. He has been in those trenches, too. He’s rowed his boat along way and probably has perfect insight for you.

    And meditation – I totally second that one.

    #297911
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    @ Silent Dawning,

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    Also, don’t expect religion to help you get out of the apparent rut you are in. I don’t personally expect God to help me. I leave myself open that he will, and believe he often intervenes in ways that I am not aware of, but my mantra is constant pressure on problems through hard work. And in spite of my high expectations of others, I have low expectations from God. Otherwise, I feel this vacuum when I pray and nothing happens immediately. But the hard work — that’s like a magnet that eventually attracts the help you need. As Steven Leacock, the Canadian Humorist once said “the harder I work, the luckier I get”.

    I appreciate these words. I am feeling the same way as well about God. I know much of it is up to me, I just think I got off track somewhere, and I don’t know where. I am already acquainted with the Strenghts Finder 2.0. I have the following 5 core talents/abilities: Achiever, Context, Input, Connectedness, and Responsibility. I am a hard worker and I am always wanting achieve, that is why I have been on the quest for a Ph.D. in the social sciences/humanities. I have a history B.A. and an M.A. in anthropology. I wrote a MA thesis dealing with the anthropology of religion.

    I started out on the wrong foot deciding to pursue a JD instead of a Ph,D, but wasn’t pleased with my grades and my end goal, so I quit law school. I have applied to Notre Dame and Duke for anthropology and history programs respectively. I think my problem with applying to Notre Dame was that my interests were misaligned. I hit it off with the religion faculty, but not with the anthropology faculty. (There is a divide between anthropology and the classicists). I wanted to apply anthropology to the study of religion much like Marvin Harris did in his work Cows, Pigs, Wars and Witches, but cultural materialism has become an outdated theory in the filed of anthropology. For Duke’s history program I have been teaching myself Portuguese to study the rise of Evangelical Christianity in Brazil. I am still awaiting confirmation whether I wasn’t considered because one of my letter writers dropped the ball. I don’t even know if the professors on the evaluation/admissions committee that I contacted even looked at my application, and writing sample.

    I have applied to schools that I know have strong programs and great professors, and that are reasonable to live at with a large family. For these reasons I was applying to those schools. I have taught one college course in Anthropology where I did quite well, I just filled in for a professor who had to leave for a semester. I would like to teach part-time at least two nights a week and just keep my day job if I cannot pursue a Ph.D. I’m just frustrated since I put in a lot of work wanting to teach history, anthropology, or religion since I have been teased into teaching, but then it seems like I’m getting older and the opportunities are fleeting. I have been doing research in areas that I am interested in. I have filled up flash drives with journal articles and book reviews, and notated things and have even began drafts of papers that are inchoate at the moment. I almost want to hang it all up, and go deeper into business and study accounting since I know I can at least make money in that. I currently work at a law firm and work in accounting, barely making a livable wage.

    #297912
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    Thanks for sending off your strengths. When you do your job interview, try this approach.

    Take each of your strengths and then map them to the job accountabilities for the position you are applying. See which ones link, and then give examples of how your strengths will help you be strong in those job accountabilities. I have done this before and if you do this analysis honestly, with a good understanding of the job description, you can create a very personalized and powerfully authentic statement of how your specific passions/strengths will help the company in that position. You may have to do some research and networking to talk to someone who has held that position, and can help you talk about the job accountabilities with authority — if you are not familiar with the position’s demands. I say this because I attend Industry REview Boards at a university and the recruiters always comment on how they want to see passion in a candidate, and what they bring to the position that is unique. They validated this Strengths-based elevator speech approach as a powerful way of meeting that criterion.

    Regarding the PHD, it sounds like you are applying to first tier schools, and your primary passion is teaching and then research — correct? I teach business, and I know that in specific accreditation regions, all you need are 18 graduate credit hours to teach in the subject area. I would check the accreditation requirements in areas of the the US you would like to teach to see the minimum requirements.

    That is the way it is according to SAX accreditation (18 graduate credit hours). I have 18 graduate credit hours in five different subject areas, which I have learned makes academic administrators salivate because they can put you in multiple courses, even when enrollment is low and certain courses don’t “make”. Some schools will even hire you full time if you have degrees in multiple subject areas (normally private ones). You might consider doing an accounting certificate, for example- and a huge shortage of people with PhD’s in accounting.

    Also, how do you feel about a private school PHD? It is expensive, but if you still have time in your career, it could be another option, as it’s easier to get accepted at those schools. I am doing my PHD purely online at a private university and I am finding it challenging enough and I am happy with the experience. This was the only option for me given my family situation at the time. I am OK with it.

    You will likely not get a position in a 1st Tier school with such a PhD, but you will be able to teach in a lot of other schools. Also, if you like research, the word I’m getting from multiple PhD holders is that after you get your PHD, the school you went to is not critical for getting published — it’s whether the article passes the peer review process.

    Also, I have received unsolicited job offers by doing community work — if you dedicate a certain amount of your service hours to service to an organization that has people with influence in it, it can lead to job opportunities, or at least, networked opportunities. I had three such offers in the last two years.

    Also, consider scouring online articles for stories about successful new startups or turnarounds. These companies often need people, but their managers are stretched. I have shown up at these types of companies twice before, and gotten job interviews on the spot. I go to the place, and then call the decision-maker after I figure out who it is. Say “I’m a such and such graduate with X years of experience doing such and such, and I’d like five minutes to explain how I can help you. I drove from [insert city] today in hopes that I can meet you, and am standing out at the corner of X and X streets”. I kid you not, I got two interviews out of two attempts when I did this earlier in my career.

    Anyway, this may not be news to you, but represents my understanding of ways to help you break through this thick period. It will dissipate, keep working at it — you have multiple execution strengths (Achiever, and Responsibility) use those. Also, use your Input strength to research those companies that are growing and need your skills — there’s less competition there for jobs.

    Back to PhD — another alternative is to start applying for full-time, non-teaching jobs at private colleges that offer programs you would like to study. They often have tuition benefit programs. My PhD is being paid for (90% of it) by the private school. If I was taking the courses AT the school at which I’m employed, they would be entirely free. I got two master’s degrees and a master’s certificate that way. You will probably like the atmosphere of working at a schooll — see if you can find a job in a registrar’s office counseling students, in student services, or other functional areas. If you don’t like sales (something that wouldn’t surprise me given your strengths profile, but I can’t be sure), avoid admissions of course. Once employed, you’ll know who the decision-maker is for adjunct work, and you can enjoy teaching part-time while working full time at the school.

    The point is to get a full-time position at the school so you can get your education for free. Therefore, apply to schools that have PhD or Master’s Programs you want to take.

    Good luck — I hope you keep us updated on how it goes.

    SD

    #297913
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    I’m sorry you are facing so many challenges and feeling down. I’ve been there, too, and still go there sometimes. I agree with SD – part of the problem is expecting God will help with your job/school issues. Bluntly, He won’t. A situation very similar to yours is what led to my faith crisis and why I believe in a deist God.

    #297914
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    jamison wrote:

    I am getting angry at how everything is in my life. I’m not happy, it seems everything I want or wanted to do in life has just come to a standstill.


    Jamison, I could have written these words a dozen years ago. I don’t know enough about you to make any statements tailored specifically for you, but I can tell you that the sentiments you voiced are classic mid-life-crisis thoughts. I don’t mean that in any sort of disparaging way, MLC is a very real trauma that effects different people differently and is driven by a realization that all the hopes and dreams, all the hard work and sacrifice, are not going to pay off in the way we expected. Maybe that’s part of what is hitting you right now.

    It hit me hard, and I was able to get through it by seeing a counselor. I do believe that experiencing a faith crisis is among the things that can be a contributor to MLC. The caricature version of MLC is going out to buy an expensive car, and while that is one symptom, it is just a symptom of a much deeper mental struggle. Everyone doesn’t spend wildly despite the stereotype. I would say, however, that in my case the combination of my faith crisis and my mid-life crisis led to depression, which is probably a more common outcome than a new Camaro. Maybe you are experiencing MLC, maybe you aren’t, but I would suggest seeing a psychologist to see if that helps, because it’s no good if you can’t even enjoy Disneyland.

    From the universally accepted truth source (Wikipedia):

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    A mid-life crisis is experienced by some people as they realize they have reached a midpoint in their lifespan and experience conflicts or dissatisfaction within themselves because of unrealized goals, self-perceptions or physical changes as a result of aging or health issues. Sometimes, a crisis can be triggered by transitions such as andropause or menopause, the death of parents or other causes of grief, unemployment or underemployment, realizing that a job or career is hated but not knowing how else to earn an equivalent living, or children leaving home. Additionally, when experiencing a mid-life crisis, people may reassess their achievements in terms of their dreams.

    Finally, let me must say this… when I was in my deepest depression, the last thing I wanted to hear was “go to a psychologist”. I felt that nothing was ever going to be OK again and “seeing someone” was just placating fate… that “life just sucks… I know that now” (that’s an exact quote from me). I think that one of the most dangerous aspects of depression is the lack of desire for it to change, or at least a firm belief that it cannot change. So, for anyone reading this, Jamison or anyone else… if you are experiencing deep sadness and it just makes you entrench more when people talk about seeing a counselor, then I can tell you from my own experience that that is exactly WHEN you should seek help.

    #297915
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    I agree. A shrink can do wonders. I am about to head back to see mine as I noticed I am mildly depressed and I don’t want to head into depression land again.

    #297916
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    jamison wrote:

    Troubled and dismayed is what I am. Hope you all had a better day then me. 👿


    jamison – The distress really comes through and thanks for being so honest. Your sense of humor is intact; sorry about Disneyland. 😆 I don’t have better or different advice than you’ve gotten. There’s a lot of wisdom here. Most of us are having a better day than you today, but we’ve been where you are and recognize that we could be back there again soon. For me this site has been all about retooling for the inevitable cycles of faith and doubt, feast and famine, success and struggle.

    (I did a similar thing with my books. A lot of them deserved what they got, but as I’ve restocked shelves I’m more aware that any book is just someone’s opinion, their stab at the truth. It feels good now to be reading more widely.)

    #297917
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    When our third child was born stillborn I became very disillusioned at the “prosperity gospel” (The idea that God will prosper us individually for our rightiousness). I became hurt at how pervasive this doctrine seems to be in the church (mostly non-officially but also in some officail sources). I was gratified that Elder oaks denounced this properity gospel assumption in this last GC.

    As an aside I have many good things in my life to be thankful for. It can be a little grating when someone suggests that I should thank God for these things and yet not hold Him responsible for the death of my daughter. Does He control the events of our lives or not? I do thank God for the whole of the human experience with its triumphs and sorrows – just not for individual line items.

    I have also had to reevaluate how much of my life is open to my control. I have come down on the side that I make limited decisions within circumstances and forces outside of my contol – like the “best laid plans of mice and men.”

    This is a double edged sword.

    1) you can cut yourself some slack for your life not panning out exactly as you might have envisioned.

    OTOH

    2) people with an external locus of control sometimes have trouble getting motivated to make changes that are within our control. Sometimes the only way we can know what is beyond our power is to try like heck to do it and then have no regrets at the end of the day – knowing that we gave it our all.

    In this as with all things there seems to be a healthy balance. That balance that is perfectly calibrated for you can only be found within.

    (as always my experience may not be very applicable to your situation. I hope at least some of it is helpful.)

    #297918
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    Rather than worry about what makes the stream flow, simply become the water.

    Peace.

    #297919
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    I wholeheartedly agree with you on Disneyland. :)

    You are definitely in a rough patch, I can give you the standard answer that it will get better, and even though I believe it will, that doesn’t help you much. Others have been where you’re at and yes its a dark place. My first though was mid life crisis which has been mentioned, its difficult and working trough it takes time. Sorry that you are going through it, it sucks. I’ve gone through three tough phases of it myself. Make little changes and do them slowly, big changes will have dramatic and sometimes unwanted effects. Consult those around you for advice, it’ll help keep you in check.

    I agree with cwald, water finds its own course.

    #297920
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    I feel you jamison. I’ve applied to probably 50 different jobs in the last few months, made it to the 2nd or 3rd interview on a few of them, and haven’t received an offer yet. I graduate next week and my family has that pressure on me to find something and just go to work but, we all know it doesn’t work like that.

    My advice, is that you find something that you can put some energy in that will give you some fulfillment. Learning something new in your spare time, exercising, or making and achieving some goals. That’s what I do, and that’s what helps me stay up. Keep up the hard work, you’ll make it.

    #297921
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    Thanks for the posts. I appreciate your comments. The update is: I am still working like a dog, and have focused my attention on some historical fiction. I really like the books by Steve Berry. I have taken a break from pursuing anything at the moment. I have picked up the guitar and taken to the piano (which was my first major in school) that I changed b/c I got bored of practicing beyond 5 hours a day. I am centering some attention at the moment as a distraction, I know it is only a temporary band-aid but It is helping me cope with my mid-life crisis that I am in. I am feeling a little healthier. I am taking some supplements and don’t feel as much joint point as I used to. Note to self: Don’t skateboard like you are twenty-three when you are forty it just will hurt you more. I have readjusted until I come up with new goals. I will see what happens. I am taking it one day at a time.

    #297922
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    Personally, I don’t think God gives a Rat’s A what education or employment we have. There are rare exceptions, but usually, I don’t think He cares.

    YOU care. Make it YOUR priority .. But don’t assume it matters to a higher power.

    IMHO, I think God cares more about our daily kindnesses and generosity.

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