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May 8, 2015 at 11:01 am #209824
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GuestAs a spin-off to Dash’s thread on individual’s level of faith, I thought it might be worth it to see where we stand in terms of our own personal faith. The poll above has a ranking system 10 to 1, with 10 being near perfect faith, and 1 meaning no faith at all. Faith is the aggregate/total value of your faith in the LDS doctines. I realize some people believe some things, and others believe other things, but try to come up with an overall measurement of your faith….I have also refrained from describing each number on the rating scale, other than the highest, midpoint and lowest. Use your judgment as to where you stand.. May 8, 2015 at 12:40 pm #298894Anonymous
GuestAll over the spectrum, depending on which doctrine I am considering – and depending on whether I am considering the doctrines literally or non-literally. As a comprehensive summary, I would say I have very strong faith – based on my own definition of what that means. I try to live my life in accordance with the substance of those things for which I hope but can’t see. Thus, I believe I have strong faith. I also believe that view is wholly consistent with the core of the Gospel that I believe constitutes pure Mormon theology.
If the question was about how much I actually believe specific doctrines as taught by the stereotypical, literal, traditional, orthodox member, my response would be different.
Also, I think the wording of the bottom option doesn’t match the question or the other options. I think it should be “no faith” – or the other options should focus on what percentage of doctrines one believes. I think “no faith” fits the question and overall options better.
May 8, 2015 at 1:37 pm #298895Anonymous
GuestJust the other day I was considering posting something like this, but I just had not gotten to it. For me I thought about tracking this within myself over time and figure out what drives me one direction or the other.
May 8, 2015 at 2:24 pm #298896Anonymous
GuestI put my rating between neutral and medium. The old faith geiser ain’t what it used to be. At one time, I would have put myself at the top of the scale. For me, the spiritual experiences I had during prayer when I prayed about the truthfulness of the Mormon message is what keeps me in the game. If it wasn’t for that, I probably would have said neutral or way less than that. The human nature of the church, juxtaposed with its claims about divine authority, as well as the experiences I’ve had, dented my testimony, and my inner peace, to the point I can’t say I’m much above neutral.
Would I like the simplicity of total faith? I think I would. That’s why i keep myself open to do an about face at some point,. I also don’t underestimate the power of God to provide me with life changing experiences and revelation that will change my heart back to the way it used to be. I believe He has the power to do that — and that keeps me in the game.
May 8, 2015 at 2:52 pm #298897Anonymous
GuestWe’ve got the wall, we’ve got the hammer and the nail… I’m the jello. Is this in reference to the things that are unique to mormonism (BoM, Kolob, 3 kingdoms) or is this mormonism taken as a whole (chastity, honesty, charity, BoM, Kolob, 3 kingdoms)?
I’d also need to know if I’m locked into the Gospel Principles manual interpretation of mormon doctrine or if I’m free to use my co-opted interpretations of mormon doctrine?
🙂 May 8, 2015 at 3:11 pm #298898Anonymous
Guestnibbler wrote:We’ve got the wall, we’ve got the hammer and the nail… I’m the jello.
Is this in reference to the things that are unique to mormonism (BoM, Kolob, 3 kingdoms) or is this mormonism taken as a whole (chastity, honesty, charity, BoM, Kolob, 3 kingdoms)?
I’d also need to know if I’m locked into the Gospel Principles manual interpretation of mormon doctrine or if I’m free to use my co-opted interpretations of mormon doctrine?
🙂 As a whole, as seen through your unique lens.
May 8, 2015 at 3:24 pm #298899Anonymous
GuestSilentDawning wrote:For me, the spiritual experiences I had during prayer when I prayed about the truthfulness of the Mormon message is what keeps me in the game. If it wasn’t for that, I probably would have said neutral or way less than that. The human nature of the church, juxtaposed with its claims about divine authority, as well as the experiences I’ve had, dented my testimony, and my inner peace, to the point I can’t say I’m much above neutral.
I would have to say the main reason I am still hanging on is from one spiritual experience that was really counter to any logical explanation and it was so clear in my mind at that time.All other emotional tuggings have become so blurred (I feel the same when I watch movies) that I can’t trust them.
There are minor issues keeping me “in”, but those are social and family issues. If I didn’t have that one spiritual experience, then I think I would be out as I logically look at all the data it seems rather clear.
SilentDawning wrote:Would I like the simplicity of total faith? I think I would. That’s why i keep myself open to do an about face at some point,. I also don’t underestimate the power of God to provide me with life changing experiences and revelation that will change my heart back to the way it used to be. I believe He has the power to do that — and that keeps me in the game.
I have decided that I am not going to tell God how to do things, but he knows my heart and will understand why I don’t believe some things at one point in time. So for an example, I am not going to tell God he can’t tell people they have to go into polygamy, but at the same time I do not feel the polygamy (and other stuff) in our church history was not of God in my opinion. I have not had God tell me it was when I pray about it.May 8, 2015 at 5:40 pm #298900Anonymous
GuestA five, mostly due to all the tens and ones. May 8, 2015 at 6:32 pm #298901Anonymous
GuestI’m sitting around the 2 mark. Mostly because the survey mentions Mormon doctrine. My faith in Mormon-specific doctrines is pretty low (BofM, D&C, temples, etc.). However, if the survey was asking where your faith lies in the gospel, I would have been closer to a 7 or 8. I completely accept the gospel as Christ taught it. I believe it all comes down to love, charity, hope, peace, kindness, service, etc. And, while the church encourages those things, so does every other church, so I can’t say I feel that our church has a monopoly on gospel teachings. I don’t know if any of that makes sense! :crazy: May 8, 2015 at 6:34 pm #298902Anonymous
GuestHoly Cow wrote:I’m sitting around the 2 mark. Mostly because the survey mentions Mormon doctrine. My faith in Mormon-specific doctrines is pretty low (BofM, D&C, temples, etc.). However, if the survey was asking where your faith lies in the gospel, I would have been closer to a 7 or 8. I completely accept the gospel as Christ taught it. I believe it all comes down to love, charity, hope, peace, kindness, service, etc. And, while the church encourages those things, so does every other church, so I can’t say I feel that our church has a monopoly on gospel teachings. I don’t know if any of that makes sense!
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Makes sense to me. So if you are crazy, you are not alone!May 8, 2015 at 8:53 pm #298903Anonymous
GuestOld-Timer wrote:All over the spectrum, depending on which doctrine I am considering
dittoMay 9, 2015 at 1:57 pm #298904Anonymous
GuestI have myself as a “2” … But that might be too optimistic. This was a rank of Mormon religious faith doctrines. I interpret that as doctrines that are specific to Mormonism.
BOM, D&C, temple ceremonies, garments, etc.
There is a huge amount of goodness in the LDS church .. But this poll was about doctrine and that is my FC.
OTOH, my belief in God is a “10” .. Belief in hope, faith, charity, Golden Rule, be kind, do good .. Those things are hugely important in my life.
May 9, 2015 at 11:43 pm #298905Anonymous
GuestAmateurparent, just curious: Is your belief in God more universal or more predestination-exclusive?
I ask because that is a great example of a doctrine that can be and is taught very differently in Mormon theology than in most other denominations and religions – and by many members of the LDS Church. I have ZERO faith (hope in the unseen) in a God who blesses only those who do specific things in this life, and I have deep faith in a God who blesses all to the greatest extent possible through an eternal love of them. Both views legitimately can be said to be LDS doctrine (things taught in the LDS Church), so my faith in the God of Mormonism and the LDS Church ranges from 0 – 10, depending on which version of that doctrine I am ranking.
May 10, 2015 at 3:41 am #298906Anonymous
GuestRay: A very interesting question. I meet so many people in and out of the church who see so much in life as “God’s Will”. Calvinism — the whole belief of pre-ordination and pre-destination is still alive and well. I disagree with Calvinism. It takes away free-will. Calvinism is too often used as an easy excuse. No empathy or intervention is needed if one truly sees suffering as the will of God. For this reason, Patriarchial Blessings bother me to a certain extent. They can be pre-destination focused .. When people start talking of their successes being “meant-to-be” and “Pre-Ordained” my discomfort increases.
I remember having my oldest daughter die, and having some TBM tell me that my DH and I must have picked that burden in the pre-existence. That his children were healthy because he hadn’t picked that burden. And I wanted to respond,”Did YOU really just SAY THAT??!!!” And I didn’t say much in response to his idiotic statement . I was too diplomatic then. I am finding in my FC, that my language is less circumspect and I don’t tolerate as much crap. (I wish I had found my spine a little sooner .. )
I believe God love EACH of us in an extraordinary manner. I believe he wants wonderful things for each of us .. ALL of his children. I also believe God expects each of us to help each other as much as possible — not to change religions — but to help in basic ways of food, shelter, clothing, empathy, service. I don’t think he care much about what religion we affiliate with. I think he cares very much how I treat people, how I help people, how I am a force of goodness in the world.
And yet .. None of those good acts are going to earn me a place with God. I don’t think the system works like that either. I have no idea how the system works. That is God’s business — not mine. But if I can truly be a force of goodness and service in this life, I am not worried about the next life. God is pleased with me and that will have to be enough.
May 10, 2015 at 4:04 am #298907Anonymous
GuestI thought so. I appreciate your answer and believe your answer is a legitimate Mormon one. I would say you have great faith in one particular view of the Mormon doctrine of God and no faith in a different one – and I would say most of us can say that about many other things. Not all, certainly, and varying numbers, individually, but many, nonetheless. I think that is important to recognize.
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