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    I haven’t attended the temple in a while nor am I particularly fond of it. However, I respect that people find meaning and truth there. I’m not sure where to begin on this. Any suggestions???

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    #300608
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    I’m like you: I haven’t been to the Temple in ages. If I had to give a lesson on the Temple, I would stay with the abstract… that it can be a focal point for communion with God and for worship… leaving behind the world to find God… and I would stay clear of the specific ordinances. Everyone already knows those anyway. It’s pretty easy for me to think in those terms because I think of all religion as abstract. But even so, there is nothing unorthodox about trying to get closer to God and godliness by going to a place like the Temple.

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    I would mention that multiple apostles have said it all is symbolic, including Pres. Packer (to appease the more conservative members), but that there can be some incredible meaning in that symbolism. I would focus on the overarching idea of having our hearts knit to the entire family of God and how that should make us humble and charitable and non-judgmental – that if God asks us to turn our hearts to everyone, no exceptions, he must love and value everyone, no exceptions.

    I then would ask people to share what their favorite part of the temple is and why.

    I think it could be a truly powerful experience for the class.

    #300610
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    When non-LDS people ask me about the temple, I tell them that going through the temple is very much like a priest or nun taking vows. Not vows of celibacy, but vows to put God first in ones life at all times and in all ways. The temple garments are a constant reminder of those promises .. Very much like a priest collar or a nun habit. They are worn under clothing. to be worn for the individual .. Not for the public. They are a constant reminder of those promises.

    You could ask people how their lives are changed because of their promises to God.

    #300611
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    I like the repetition. I like to meditate & think about the relative I’m going through the temple for.

    I like to focus on their life & the influence they made in my life. I am completely out of my life &

    problems. I hope & pray that in some small way I’ve made a positive impact in their life.

    I hope they are looking on & are pleased with the effort.

    #300612
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    startpoor wrote:

    I haven’t attended the temple in a while nor am I particularly fond of it. However, I respect that people find meaning and truth there.


    Is there a way to work this refreshingly honest comment into a good, uplifting lesson, I wonder. I would give my eye teeth to have a discussion leader who felt comfortable saying something like this, but only if it was true, which in your case it is.

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    Ann wrote:

    startpoor wrote:

    I haven’t attended the temple in a while nor am I particularly fond of it. However, I respect that people find meaning and truth there.


    Is there a way to work this refreshingly honest comment into a good, uplifting lesson, I wonder. I would give my eye teeth to have a discussion leader who felt comfortable saying something like this, but only if it was true, which in your case it is.


    I often make admissions like this in my class, and they almost always help the discussion. People seem to appreciate the honesty of imperfection. Though it’s easier to say that about topics like FHE or sabbath observance than temple attendance. However, the aim of my lesson isn’t going to be about temple attendance per se, but rather about getting the most out of it–which may include talking about it more, or dealing with misgivings–so I could make such an admission, but would have to phrase it a little different.

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    I am struggling to get enough desire to go attend the temple. I have to admit that I have never felt touched by the spirit in the temple. I usually just feel bad about how all of these promises are made about being sealed, and given the nearly failed marriage I have – it is not something that comes across to me as a positive uplifting thing. It is more like, “you failed big time. No presents for you.”

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    startpoor wrote:

    I often make admissions like this in my class, and they almost always help the discussion. People seem to appreciate the honesty of imperfection. Though it’s easier to say that about topics like FHE or sabbath observance than temple attendance. However, the aim of my lesson isn’t going to be about temple attendance per se, but rather about getting the most out of it–which may include talking about it more, or dealing with misgivings–so I could make such an admission, but would have to phrase it a little different.

    A woman in our ward has been a new member for a few years now. She was recently endowed and came to church the next day with a look of horror and bewilderment. It was as though the church she had known now looked so strange and foreign to her. TBM DW said that everyone in RS was patronizing to her about how great it was and how she will get used to the wierdness in time. This was a few months ago and this woman has not been back to church. I don’t know if it would have made a difference, but I wish that someone could have taken this new member woman aside and told her that it was ok. It was ok not to like the temple and it is ok if it was the opposite of a spiritual experience for you. Many people love it and find great peace and meaning there. Others don’t and that doesn’t mean that there is anything deficient or wrong with them. The temple is just not their thing.

    I wonder if she might have come back to church if she felt that it was ok to continue with the church stuff that she liked and not have to swallow up the “temple experience” entree with every subsequent church meal.

    So I would hope for an opportunity to say that the temple isn’t your thing.

    #300617
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    I am going to piggy back a bit on this idea of not everyone loves it. Because we do have faithful members who don’t find all the joy in it.

    Like Roy’s story, I ran into a women at the store just after she had attended for the first time, and she was furious. She had attended all the temple prep classes and still felt tricked. (I don’t believe you should share this, but maybe keep it in mind).

    My mom is another faithful sister who participates by obedience, but not by love. All my growing up years Dad faithfully attended sessions. Mom didn’t. One day she explained that she never did feel anything special. Their closest temple is 2 hours away, making any attendance an all day event. Even now as she works in the temple, because my dad loves it, you can hear the weariness in her voice about it. Other areas of service she is 110% in fulfilling. She has served in multitude of callings and leadership. But temple attendance is a gritted teeth experience. My own conjecture is because when she was married, her parents couldn’t attend. They didn’t even sit outside. She was their only child and daughter. It was life moment they never could share together. I have a feeling deep down the pain still exists, even though they mended their outward hurts, inside deep things don’t go away.

    To be fair on the flip side, I love Fiona Givens suggestion of encouraging people who have never attended the temple to attend some Catholic Masses, both are rituals in symbolism. Complete with kneelings, standings, hand wavings, and group prayers. Another point you could bring up is temple grounds. Even thought I too haven’t gone in for a long time, there is a beauty, serenity, joy, calm on the outside. I recently drove past ours in the car, and just looking at it briefly was calming and happify-ing to me.

    You will do great. We are all cheering for you.

    #300619
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    mom3 wrote:

    To be fair on the flip side, I love Fiona Givens suggestion of encouraging people who have never attended the temple to attend some Catholic Masses, both are rituals in symbolism. Complete with kneelings, standings, hand wavings, and group prayers. Another point you could bring up is temple grounds. Even thought I too haven’t gone in for a long time, there is a beauty, serenity, joy, calm on the outside. I recently drove past ours in the car, and just looking at it briefly was calming and happify-ing to me.

    You will do great. We are all cheering for you.


    Thanks for the idea from FG, that is a great insight, I’m going to see if I can find where she said that.

    Thanks also for all your stories both positive and negative for the temple experience. I want the lesson to be for both groups whether explicitly exploring both sides or not. It’s good to keep those in mind while preparing, and making a lesson that will appeal to both camps.

    My experience was pretty neutral. I just accepted it out of obedience. I have had insights into the cosmos and creation both pre and post FC. I have also had times where I felt I was wasting an afternoon.

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    #300620
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    FG, that is a great insight, I’m going to see if I can find where she said that

    Check with DBMormon, I believe it is in his podcast with them.

    #300615
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    startpoor wrote:

    A woman in our ward has been a new member for a few years now. She was recently endowed and came to church the next day with a look of horror and bewilderment. It was as though the church she had known now looked so strange and foreign to her.

    That was my experience too. I haven’t found joy in attending the temple since, except on my wedding day and baptizing my kids there. I really don’t have the desire to attend at all right now (and I haven’t for several months). But my TBM DW loves the temple. I don’t want to go, but I don’t want to stop her from going, either. What’s the best way to navigate this conflict? When I go just to please her, it makes me resent going even more. But I know it really bothers her that I don’t want to go.

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    FaithfulSkeptic wrote:

    startpoor wrote:

    A woman in our ward has been a new member for a few years now. She was recently endowed and came to church the next day with a look of horror and bewilderment. It was as though the church she had known now looked so strange and foreign to her.

    That was my experience too. I haven’t found joy in attending the temple since, except on my wedding day and baptizing my kids there. I really don’t have the desire to attend at all right now (and I haven’t for several months). But my TBM DW loves the temple. I don’t want to go, but I don’t want to stop her from going, either. What’s the best way to navigate this conflict? When I go just to please her, it makes me resent going even more. But I know it really bothers her that I don’t want to go.


    I tried to go for my wife, but she didn’t like doing with someone who didn’t want to be there. I at least try to support her in going–even though it’s just giving her a ride and watching the kids. When she does go, she usually comes back clear minded and refreshed, and has a softened attitude toward me. I don’t know your particular marriage situation, but my advice would be to see it as an act of charity, and see if that helps quell the resentment. Maybe do something other than endowments too? I have tried lots of different approaches in my marriage and most have failed. But the things that have worked have been support and knowing when to hold my tongue.

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    #300621
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    I am like you in that I never really enjoyed going to the temple. The necessity of following prescribed actions on pain of being called out was particularly difficult for me, as was being a veil worker. I went once and never went back again as a veil worker. And the temple actually hurt my non-member family, and my life when they couldn’t go in. This would be a hard lesson for me to teach.

    However, always up for a teaching challenge, I might have groups reflect on blessings of the temple in certain categories:

    Social benefits

    Eternal benefits

    Goal-oriented benefits

    Other categories that come to mind, and then have them share them. Another technique I’ve used is have everyone brainstorm in groups, and then have them share the benefits. I have three, unlabelled columns on the board, and as they make the comments, I sort them into the categories above. It creates a kind of suspension about what the columns mean, which can be engaging. Then you unveil what your sorting means, and it all makes sense to the class. Try it — it works very well.

    You could also focus on the peace benefits of the celestial room, or how it can be cleansing to someone, as washings and annointing can have that effect. They did with myself….

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