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August 1, 2015 at 8:18 pm #210037
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GuestSo I have a question… It may have already been answered in previous discussion posts. If so, please direct me there. I would appreciate any and all help!

How do you read the Book of Mormon after knowing its history? A lot of it troubles me, and I’m at the point where I think it is a complete fraud. Yet it’s the “cornerstone of our religion,” so if your testimony of the book falls, it all seems to fall. The Bible also bothers me too, since a lot of it is used to justify misogyny, homophobia, and racism. There are so many scare tactics used in the books that they keep me up at night. I don’t want to go to hell for having so so many problems believing. I believe there are Heavenly Parents, but it doesn’t make much sense that there are so many contradictions and problems when you simply try to believe. I’m at the point where faith seems more like insanity versus being hopeful. Maybe this is overly negative. I apologize for that. But it feels like I am being told to eat a cake laced with poison because “most of the cake is good, but you just need to ignore the bad parts.”
:crazy: How do you stay religious when the very text of your religion troubles you?
😯 Thank you so much for your help.
August 1, 2015 at 11:51 pm #302250Anonymous
GuestTwo options have worked for me. #1 – Highlight and cling to only my favorite parts. If it is only Matthew 5 and 3rd Nephi – so be it.
#2 – Discard it for a time. The cool thing about Mormonism is the whole living prophet thing. If you still find value in the religion, even if it’s just having wholesome people to hang out with, turn to modern leaders words. DarkJedi and most of us here love President Uchtdorf’s words. According to our religion when he speaks in GC it’s scripture. His words can be your anchor.
You don’t have to say anything to anyone, just begin building a quotes book with holy words from leaders, lean on them. Who knows you may remind others of spiritual truths through them.
August 2, 2015 at 12:08 am #302251Anonymous
GuestI read it like I would read Kahil Gabran. August 2, 2015 at 1:43 am #302252Anonymous
GuestDon’t worry about historicity. Read it only for thewords in it – and try to read it as if for the first time, without any preconceptions and without paying any attention to the chapter and verse structure. Read it as a story, whether historically accurate or not. Try to understand what it teaches distinctly separate from its place within Mormonism and the LDS Church – what it actually says, not what most members think it says. That might or might not help, but I have come to love it for itself. There are some truly incredible things in its pages – some pearls of truly great price to me.
August 2, 2015 at 2:52 am #302253Anonymous
GuestN’oublie Pas wrote:. . . and I’m at the point where I think it is a complete fraud..
This is a stressful spot for me, too. At the moment I think Nephi is completely made up, but he testifies of a Christ I consider very real. I can live with that. But I can’t breathe a word of this at church, and it freaks my family out.The Givenses talk (in The Crucible of Doubt) about finding your own watering holes. I’ve enjoyed reading more about how the Bible came together. Go to mormonsundayschool.org for Jared Anderson’s lessons that flesh out all the Gospel Doctrine class readings. David Bokovoy is great. These are things that dial down the panic for me.
Please keep adding to this thread and tell us how it goes for you.
August 2, 2015 at 12:21 pm #302254Anonymous
GuestI more or less treat all scripture as literature these days. I do it with the BoM more so than the Bible. The BoM does read like a novel if one approaches it that way. I like the message of the BoM but I don’t believe every word is the word of God. I like the message of A Christmas Caroltoo – and also don’t believe every word to be the word of God. August 2, 2015 at 3:21 pm #302255Anonymous
GuestFor me, the Book of Mormon is about the content, not the origin. Someone, once, I forget who, made a great comparison. If you find a cute kitten abandoned in a box, do you really worry about its origin, if it’s clear it doesn’t belong to anyone?
Same here. I get stuff out of the Book of Mormon. Doesn’t matter if Zarahemla existed or not, it helps me in some ways.
August 2, 2015 at 3:27 pm #302256Anonymous
GuestThe Book of Mormon made a lot more sense to me once I became more familiar with it’s history. It certainly didn’t start out that way. It’s almost reflexive, when we have a faith crisis/transition we want to tell our ecclesiastical leaders all about it.
Early on I went to the BP with a part of my story and he gave me council to pray and read the scriptures (which I was already doing more than at any other point in my life). I immediately rebutted, “Every time I read the Book of Mormon all I can see are the flaws.” In other words, following your advice would only drive the nails in further. Obviously at that point I couldn’t read the BoM from my different perspective on history.
Understanding a little more about the BoM’s place in history has helped. It really brings to life this quote:
Ezra Taft Benson, The Book of Mormon—Keystone of Our Religion, October 1986 General Conference wrote:Yes, my beloved brothers and sisters, the Book of Mormon is the keystone of our religion—the keystone of our testimony, the keystone of our doctrine, and the keystone in the witness of our Lord and Savior.
The second great reason why we must make the Book of Mormon a center focus of study is that it was written for our day. The Nephites never had the book; neither did the Lamanites of ancient times. It was meant for us.
Read that quote through your new lens.
The Book of Mormon came at a time where it could addresses religious disputes and it opened up theological dead ends. The message might very well be that we can look to other, contemporary sources for answers to our spiritual questions. Now in some ways I feel like people have worked themselves right back into the same trap, before it was only the bible, the BoM ushered in an era where we could look forward to there being new sources, but now I consider ourselves right back in the same predicament as before except this time we have a few more books to go by.
And that’s why having a faith transition is so wonderful. I’m free to take what I will from the Book of Mormon. I’m free to leave what I will from the Book of Mormon (that was a new and powerful concept for me). Not only that, I’ve recognized that I can take or leave messages from any book and those messages become my scriptures. I don’t have to sit around and wait for a religious body to canonize something, I can do that myself.
I may save some other thoughts for later but one last thing, “the keystone of our religion.” Who said that? Some guy. Some guy that felt like the BoM was the keystone to his religion. Just because it was the keystone to his religion doesn’t mean it has to be the keystone of my religion. Me? I might phrase it, “the Book of Mormon was the catalyst to my spirituality.” It hasn’t got that prophetic ring to it but it works for me for the moment.
August 2, 2015 at 5:50 pm #302257Anonymous
GuestThank you everyone for your responses. I wish I had joined StayLDS sooner rather than lurked for years! 😆 Mom3:
mom3 wrote:You don’t have to say anything to anyone, just begin building a quotes book with holy words from leaders, lean on them.
I love this. I think I’ll begin doing this with both the BoM and secular books. I think that will help keep out the “poison.”
Amateurparent:
amateurparent wrote:I read it like I would read Kahil Gabran
I will need to look up his works. Do you have any favorites that have helped you?
Old-Timer:
Old-Timer wrote:Try to understand what it teaches distinctly separate from its place within Mormonism and the LDS Church – what it actually says, not what most members think it says.
I really really like this. Thank you.

Ann:
Ann wrote:This is a stressful spot for me, too
I’m glad it’s not just me, but then again, it’s kinda sad that this affects so many people.
I can’t talk about this with anyone either, which is why I finally turned here. Posting and talking about it here has really really helped me. It’s so hard to carry secrets. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve walked out of church when there’s a lesson praising how absolutely wonderful and flawless Joseph Smith was. I’m so afraid I won’t be able to hold my tongue!
😆 I think he was a good person, but just got mixed up along the way. I really don’t know how to accurately describe how I feel about him though since I keep going back and forth, trying to figure him out. It’s frustrating when the founder is so confusing… You would think God wouldn’t be trying to test us THIS much!😆 DarkJedi:
DarkJedi wrote:I like the message of the BoM but I don’t believe every word is the word of God. I like the message of A Christmas Carol too – and also don’t believe every word to be the word of God.
Maybe that’s the way I need to see it. Then again, it sure makes the afterlife very confusing then… It’s difficult to know what is truth, other than what resonates with you. Is that what truth really is though? What resonates and feels correct?
SamBee:
SamBee wrote:If you find a cute kitten abandoned in a box, do you really worry about its origin, if it’s clear it doesn’t belong to anyone?
I like this a lot.
Great analogy! I need to try to find some good content out of a very confusing origin.
Nibbler:
nibbler wrote:It’s almost reflexive, when we have a faith crisis/transition we want to tell our ecclesiastical leaders all about it.
I often have to stop myself from correcting someone at church when they say something I know is not true. It’s not my business to do that. But yes, there are so many times where I just want to tell everyone everything I know!
😆 nibbler wrote:The Nephites never had the book; neither did the Lamanites of ancient times. It was meant for us.
That makes sense with the historicity, at least it does to me. Thank you.
Maybe I can’t take the religious rites and things like that seriously, but I can take the messages of being kind to one another. Maybe I need to try to reading other things as well and not read scriptures so seriously that I get stressed about it. I may need to give them a longer break. I stopped reading for a while to clear my head, and I was in a good place so I decided to try again… well, that lasted really long!
😆 😆 August 2, 2015 at 6:40 pm #302258Anonymous
GuestMartin Luther King, Jr. was a deeply flawed man – and his speeches have been used to justify some things I don’t like, personally – but he was prophetic in the truest sense of the word – and his speeches have a power that I like when I read them. I love to study the back-story of how those speeches came to be, but I don’t let the flawed nature of the source destroy the meaning I take from them, and I don’t let the factors of historicity decrease my love of their messages.
D&C 121 is another example of an amazing piece of writing, especially in context of the time and situation that led to its publication. When I read it closely, as ONE message, not two or three distinct messages (with the last verses about unrighteousness dominion as the capstone of the first verses where Joseph is begging God to exercise unrighteousness dominion, essentially), it became one of my favorite pieces in all literature. I don’t care about any other aspect of Joseph when reading that section; nothing changes the power of the words themselves and what they teach.
I would say the same about much of the Bible – and inspirational books by modern authors – and the Koran – and the religious canons of various groups and on and on and on. I like a book or other written record based on my reaction to the book or other written record – what I get from it, not what others say I should get from it. I don’t mind sifting through manure to get pearls of great price – and I find little if any true manure in the Book of Mormon, especially when I study closely and put what is there in historical context (the time it was produced and/or the time it chronicles). Lots of sawdust, perhaps, but little or no true manure. Conversely, there are a lot of wonderful pearls.
August 3, 2015 at 3:43 pm #302259Anonymous
GuestN’oublie Pas wrote:How do you stay religious when the very text of your religion troubles you?
Read, study, ponder and pray about what it is that actually troubles you. In those thoughts are the keys to unlock your spiritual freedom and peace.When I was a missionary, I taught the Book of Mormon to people who had never read it before. It did not move them because it was factual and historical. It moved them because there were teachings of God and how God loves His children, how people find hope through faith, how struggles are overcome in life, how peace and love grows within us.
Conversion did not happen through facts. It happens through the heart and spirit.
I approach all scripture the same way.
August 3, 2015 at 4:02 pm #302260Anonymous
GuestWell said Heber. August 5, 2015 at 2:55 am #302261Anonymous
GuestI read it for how it makes me feel. I realized that part of how it makes me feel is the format ….chapter summaries, numbered verses and the archaic language. All this creates the feeling of inspiration. To test this notion, I wrote three chapters on my own with verse numbers and chapter summaries and then set it aside for a few weeks. When I read it, I felt the spirit. It triggered thought about character which then opened the gateway to personal revelation. I am not saying it was inspired literature, just that it triggered pondering, a form of meditation and then spiritual thoughts and ideas. What I had written was made up. And I knew it, but it was still a conduit for spiritual nourishment. Read the book of Mormon. For the same objective….it doesn’t matter if its true…it merely needs to trigger mental outreach to God. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk
August 5, 2015 at 9:41 pm #302262Anonymous
GuestOld-Timer wrote:I would say the same about much of the Bible – and inspirational books by modern authors – and the Koran – and the religious canons of various groups and on and on and on.
The BoM falls firmly into the camp of wisdom literature for me.
I think of the Psalms and Proverbs of the bible. Many of these come across as just little bits of wisdom – like the moral in Aesop’s fables. What makes them special in the religious sense is that they are accepted by a religious group to have special significance (religious canon, word of God, etc.)
All of this does not really motivate me to read the BoM more (I almost never do because my time is so limited and my potential list of good books is so long) but at least it helps me to have less angst when I do read it.
October 9, 2015 at 12:09 am #302263Anonymous
GuestThat is a great question, and I’ve had my share of questions over the years as I’ve read too. A few thoughts have come to mind, one, I heard a quote from a non-lds researcher ; “Sacred or spiritual texts do not necessarily have to be historically accurate” I’m paraphrasing. Two, for me, I have gone from “the bible was written by the finger of God” and “the book of Mormon is the literal writings of ancient America” to “all scriptural texts are the musings, pondering, and interaction of man on the nature of God” I can no longer look at the bible nor book of Mormon under the “as far as it was translated correctly” umbrella. Having said that, I can still say that I believe them to be inspired writings of and from God. I can also include in there my own personal journals where I’ve been inspired.
I can say that even through an evolving faith, that sometimes when I read the scriptures I feel inspiration, a connection with something external and yet spiritually internal.
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