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August 22, 2015 at 6:21 pm #210107
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GuestSomeone once said that all human needs and problems boil down to these three categories — health, wealth and relationships. How has the church helped you in each of these categories? August 22, 2015 at 6:38 pm #303185Anonymous
GuestHealth – I do think the church helped keep me healthy during my late teens and early 20’s. Giving me the ability to stay away from smoking, drugs, and alcohol was a blessing. Getting into my 30’s I took the pressure to “do better” and focused less on exercise. I just didn’t feel there was time between work, family, and church callings. Plus I felt I was already “protected” by my WOW observance. Now that I am a bit older (and doing a better job of exercise) I am having the typical health issues that come from not focusing on health. I did get a habit starting with early-morning seminary of constantly pushing to see how little sleep I could get by with. Just watched a documentary “sleepless in America” and it just about wants me to not have my teenagers do early morning seminary (they are in extracurricular activities that sometime they don’t get home until 8 or 9 on weeknights). Wealth – I can’t complain in this category. I have done OK, but I have felt a constant feeling of layoffs that I am on the teetering edge of falling onto hard times. Now that I have tons of money heading towards missions and college, I am running up debts. Nothing huge, but if I were to get laid off it could be a problem. I can say I have never been one that wants money just to have more that someone else. Just never cared. Just give me enough for the basic’s and to enjoy life a bit.
Relationships – Right now I am feeling that generally it has not helped. Read my history in my signature if you want to know more. But I feel the church (not the Gospel) have contributed to my marital issues. I also feel that the church feeling so uncomfortable with anybody that has any doubts has it where I can’t really say anything about any of the doubts I have with my wife. The VERY small items I have mentioned she gets very upset. I can’t say our temple marriage has helped. Every time I go to the temple I feel that all the promises made don’t apply to me since my wife does not love me, she only “tolerates” me.
August 23, 2015 at 12:52 am #303186Anonymous
GuestHealth – My family has a few issues that have been helped greatly in various ways. Wealth – The Church has blunted my natural inclination to seek wealth, and that has been a very good thing in the long run. I know how different that is than the experiences of many who hear the prosperity gospel preached so much, but it is my own experience. I also have faced unemployment more than once, and the Church’s welfare system has been a great blessing.
Relationships – My most important one can’t be separated from the Church. I am who I am, but I am sure I would be a radically different person without some of what I learned growing up in and attending the LDS Church – particularly with regard to intimate relationships.
August 23, 2015 at 11:58 am #303187Anonymous
GuestWealth — a mixed bag. The reason I have the career I have is the help of a Church member I met while serving in a presidency a long time ago. He encouraged and facilitated my admission to a top-notch school. I owe my career to him. Health — I developed a back problem that flares up from helping people move in the church. I suppose the WoW has kept me from experimenting with drugs and alcohol, although where that experimentation might have led is not clear. I still feel tempted to use those tools to bring my spirit peace, but my church influence has prevented me from doing so, as well as my decades of abstinence. I don’t want to blow it.
Relationships — encouraged me to stay in a marriage that was unhappy for a long time. Triggered clinical depression due to the relationships in the church, and harsh treatment. I do have a close friend of 25 years who I met in the church. One of those rare friends that stay with your through decades of life. The civil waiting period for marriage really hurt my family relationships. Mixed bag.
Overall, with the exception of health, the church has been a mixed experience. Not sure if it would be any different outside of the church or in it…it’s not a clear win for being a church member.
August 23, 2015 at 3:43 pm #303188Anonymous
GuestSuch a tough question for me. This is one of those where I can’t divorce myself from historical revisionism. Health:The WoW immediately comes to mind when we talk health in the church. I had already made my mind up about most of the WoW don’ts before I even heard the word Mormon. I didn’t like the taste of coffee, tea was the only thing that I had to give up. I don’t think reintroducing tea back into my life would make my health plummet. Exercise was a part of my life, I didn’t need a WoW for that one either… it’s not like I’d exercise without hearing about it from someplace. I’m pretty sure this one came mostly from doctors and not ecclesiastical leaders.
Let’s talk mental health. Scrupulosity got the better of me. We are in a very demanding church but I still can’t say whether I’d implicate the church. This was likely one of my innate qualities that was only brought out by church culture. Like giving someone predispositioned towards addiction their first drink of alcohol. Give me a rule, I’ll do the rest.
Wealth:I guess I was the only one to immediately think: Well I have 10% less in the bank. :angel: I’m not sure how I feel about the law of tithing blunting the natural inclination to seek wealth. I worked for a place that always selected a week during the year where they would shut down and force everyone to use vacation time to cover the shutdown. Their motive was to reduce the vacation time all the employees were hoarding, to get it off the books. The problem? Some people would hoard all their vacation time because they knew they’d have to cover that week long shutdown
in addition toany vacation that they wanted to take. If you wanted to save up for a nice two week vacation you had to save up three weeks to cover it. People saving up vacation was the solution to and cause of the problem. Sometimes having a little less money can make people grip what they do have a little tighter. This certainly isn’t the case for everyone. I’m just putting out another opinion. Some people might seek more wealth to fill the financial hole that tithing leaves. Serving a mission helped me focus better in school. I was a much better student when I came back than the student I was when I left. It’s hard to put a price on that. Some of the hard work rhetoric pushes some people to advance through the ranks at work. I’m not one of those, but they do exists in spades in the church.
Relationships:My involvement in the church has both enhanced some relationships and hurt others. This one comes out in the wash. Plus I’m tired of typing right now. I may come back to this one.
August 23, 2015 at 8:05 pm #303189Anonymous
GuestFwiw, tithing has nothing to do with my own natural inclination to seek wealth being blunted. I see tithing as dues and a way to share the benefits I get with those who are less fortunate financially than I. I make no correlation whatsoever between tithing and any aspect of wealth. I have seen too much real life to make that sort of connection.
August 23, 2015 at 8:34 pm #303190Anonymous
GuestOld-Timer wrote:Fwiw, tithing has nothing to do with my own natural inclination to seek wealth being blunted.
I see tithing as dues and a way to share the benefits I get with those who are less fortunate financially than I. I make no correlation whatsoever between tithing and any aspect of wealth. I have seen too much real life to make that sort of connection.
Sadly, I see tithing as blunting my capacity for self-reliance, my overall wealth and my enthusiasm for pursuing healthy economic success. It also prompts feelings of angst when I think of the church’s tendency to not show reciprocity when I have needed things that are at the core of the church’s mission. Not financial things, but others things I won’t go into again.
I personally like giving my money to whatever cause I feel passionate about — and giving it directly to causes I am currently trying to further. IN the last year I donated quite a bit by paying musicians out of my own pocket for various charitable events. It had me wondering why a person would give to any charitable organization except to get a tax receipt (you don’t get a tax receipt if you pay for services that help a non-profit without going through their books, obviously).
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