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    alyfae13
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    Hi everyone,

    This is my first post and it might be really long. I’m dealing with a lot right now so I will do my best to put everything down in a way that it makes sense.

    There is a lot of abuse that I suffered as a child and am trying to deal with right now in my adult life. It is one of the hardest things I have ever had to deal with, figuring out my parents are not good people. I am struggling with the fact that the Church was forced on me from a very young age by my parents. Their views on doctrine are very extreme. I am struggling with believing because, how could my parents be considered good members of the Church when they treat my siblings and me so horribly. They are considered almost saintly to everyone outside of our family. I know it is not my place to judge, but I’m trying to figure out what to believe when my whole childhood was a lie.

    Also, at this time, my husband is starting to disaffect from the Church. He has been supportive of my desire to continue going and comes with me to help out with my two small children, but I know he hates being at church.

    I have no friends in my ward and I live in an area where “keeping up with the Jones'” is what people are more concerned with than anything else.

    I have never felt so alone in my entire life. I feel like my entire support system is gone. I want to believe that this is where I am meant to be. I REALLY want to believe. There are things that are taught that I don’t necessarily feel are right, but I have felt the spirit of the Lord and felt His love over the years.

    It is just really hard when I can’t believe in anything I was taught as a child, I hate going to church, and I feel guilty asking my husband to go with me.

    I feel so lost.

    #303224
    Anonymous
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    Some of my experiences have been similar to yours, others haven’t. I can fully empathize with the feeling of being alone. You’re not alone… we’re together in our loneliness. 🙂

    #303225
    Anonymous
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    I know the loneliness feelings, and the feeling of estrangement from the family who raised you. I have a few suggestions.

    1. Focus on the fact that you still have a family (the one you live with). Your husband may not love church, but he’s part of your life, as are your children. You share a lot with each other…and that’s important..and much of it transcends, or is independent of church. Many people are alone and have no one, or only their spouse.

    I realized recently you don’t always have your children — they grow up and move on — so enjoy the fact that you have those three people in your life (your husband, your two children). Take joy in that — do things with them, have meaningful experiences together while you still can. 19 years can go by just like “that” and this week even, you can have memorable, satisfying experiences that pick you up.

    2. It sounds like you feel that because your husband doesn’t like going to church that you are alone. I would try to look at it differently — that his church involvement is not the driver of your relationship. It’s the time you spend together, the things you do together, and even the fact that he’s supportive of you by coming to church. The church people in your life are not permanent. The ones who accompanied me to the temple for my endowment — I never talk to them anymore. We are not enemies, but we have all moved to different parts of the continent so we are not on each others’ radar. But the relationships you have with your husband and kids are the most permanent and most important – the antidote for loneliness is with you in your home. I would not let the church experience interfere with the fulfillment of family life. Family life really is more permanent than the relationships you forge at church.

    3. Your parents — tough one — perhaps the best thing you can do is build a good biological family now with your husband and your kids. I also think that the sooner we realize there is a church vision and an actual incarnation of who everyone is (that is much different than the church personna/vision of what a family is), the better off we are. Everything seems orderly and the way it should be at church, but people’s lives — they are not the picture of order one would think they are. In a lot of cases out there. Best to approach church people with low expectations. If you spent time with even some of the “best” people in your Ward for a long period of time — as a family member — you would see massive warts.

    4. I’m sorry for what your parents did. I take comfort in this though — that Winston Churchill and Abe Lincoln both suffered from opposition that made them unhappy — both had depression. I believe Abe Lincoln had terrible, unhappy marriage too….Martin Seligman, the father of positive psychology, said that Churchill and Lincoln lived very productive lives in spite of the things that dragged them down. So, when you reflect on the imperfection of your upbringing, and your life, don’t let it get in the way of having a good life. I like it that Seligman didn’t say I (who suffer from the blues now and then, and have regrets about major decisions in my life) had to be Polyanna to be successful or even happy — only that I had to minimize the impact of the life experiences that trigger the blues, the loneliness, etcetera. And so far, I have done that – with experiences behind me I cherish and fill me with a sense of self-respect when I look at them — in spite of having tendencies to look at the glass as half-full, or having some crosses to bear.

    I’m glad you wrote and I hope our words here help you connect….:)

    #303226
    Anonymous
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    I am so sad for your loneliness.

    I hope that you do not have all your social connections through the LDS church. The church can be a great support structure….but then it can also be terrible. I would just advise against putting all your social connection eggs in one basket. Try to diversify. I personally participate in a number of different churches and have good friends there. They all accept me as a Mormon that is open to spiritual experiences in other settings. (Perhaps look into MOPS=Mothers of Preschoolers or other groups for social support and outlet.) It helps me to stay LDS without fear, knowing that it is just the church that I attend – rather than my whole world.

    alyfae13 wrote:

    I am struggling with believing because, how could my parents be considered good members of the Church when they treat my siblings and me so horribly. They are considered almost saintly to everyone outside of our family. I know it is not my place to judge, but I’m trying to figure out what to believe when my whole childhood was a lie.

    Sometimes our church focuses too much on the outward markers of religious observance. Do they attend church? pay tithes? go to the temple? hold callings? then they are good. There can be an inactive with a truly loving and charitable heart and we think we need to fix that person to make them right with God. It can be very ironic. Luckily, most LDS members are really good people inside in addition to having these external markings.

    alyfae13 wrote:

    I have felt the spirit of the Lord and felt His love over the years.

    At the low point in my dark night of the soul, I felt strongly that God loves me without pretext or conditions. While this message was specifically for me, I believe strongly that it applies equally to all of God’s children. You are known to God. He knows you inside and out. He joys in your triumphs. He commiserates with every failure. He accepts you as you are and he loves you. I am so glad that you have felt glimpses of this at the LDS church. I believe strongly that His love is in no way confined to the church. Whatever direction you choose – know that God’s love for you will not hang on the balance.

    alyfae13 wrote:

    I feel so lost.

    We do not have easy answers but we can share in the journey for as long as you want to.

    #303227
    Anonymous
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    Thank you for taking time to post your feelings. I bet there are many others out there that feel like you do, and reading your words will provide them with comfort we are not as alone in this world as we feel.

    Your trials are not easy ones. Certainly you are become aware of the world from a new point of view. It starts to make you ask fundamental questions…like “Is there really any truth?” when you feel the rug has been pulled out from under you.

    All I can share with you is that there are good things at church. Sometimes you bump into good people and get good support. Sometimes you’re in a situation where no one in your ward is there to understand you and support you.

    My testimony is that the church offers us things to do that are healthy. Just because others are imperfect (like your parents) does not mean you are them. Keeping up with the Jones-es will not bring happiness. You need to search for who you want to become, what you want to be to teach your children differently, you need to seek for peace and happiness.

    What are your favorite things about the church and the gospel teachings? You could start by reflecting on those.

    We are here to support you, as your new friends. :D

    My journey has been different than yours. But I think I can learn from you, and I hope to offer support and words of experience from my point of view. We’re all part of God’s family.

    Welcome to the forum.

    #303228
    Anonymous
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    Hi, alyfae – 🙂 I’m glad you’re here. I don’t have an eloquent response right now, but I can identify with some of your family-of-origin issues. It helped to realize that in some ways it has nothing at all to do with the LDS church. My dad would have been seen as a good Catholic or good Lutheran or good Baptist based on his church persona, and he did function quite well at church. He just didn’t have parenting skills to match. For better or worse, the church gets credit for setting such high expectations in our minds. I wanted him to be the dad I was told God wanted him to be.

    Please lean on us for as long as it’s helpful, and enjoy the family you have now. I hope you can find some girlfriends in and out of the church who are real people and can make you laugh. Poke around this site and you’ll find some kindred spirits. It helped so much to see myself in other people’s stories.

    #303229
    Anonymous
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    Roy wrote:

    I would just advise against putting all your social connection eggs in one basket. Try to diversify.

    Really good advice here. You will find that as the church footprint on your life gets smaller, you feel less disturbed by the challenges it presents. You have a lot of other interests and circles of friends that are vibrant and alive. It doesn’t have to be about the church all the time.

    #303230
    Anonymous
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    I like everything that’s been said. Especially Ann,

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    Please lean on us for as long as it’s helpful, and enjoy the family you have now. I hope you can find some girlfriends in and out of the church who are real people and can make you laugh. Poke around this site and you’ll find some kindred spirits. It helped so much to see myself in other people’s stories.

    Welcome.

    #303231
    Anonymous
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    Welcome. I have nothing to add but the welcome. Please keep talking, if someone’s thoughts sound similar to yours but you want to be private about it feel free to PM them. I have hung out on this board for nearly six years, there are many friends and soothing connections here, I hope you find some, too.

    Hugs to you.

    #303232
    Anonymous
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    Thank you everyone for the kind words of encouragement. I never imagined I could find this kind of support here. I will keep working on myself and focusing on my family. I have been trying to find friends outside of church but it hasn’t been easy. But nothing that is worth having ever is, right?

    #303233
    Anonymous
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    Maybe not “easy”, but I do think when you are on a good path there is a good flow you find yourself in, where it doesn’t need to be harder than it needs to be. In other words, sometimes we try to force ourselves to “fit the mold” until you learn you are a different mold that is just fine the way it is, and so you can relax and be still and be at peace as you are. Then you can find friends or put effort towards good things that seem to come a little easier, even if it is taking effort, it is good effort. You sound like you have a good perspective.

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