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August 30, 2015 at 8:49 pm #210132
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GuestWas at church today in Sunday School. Quite an excellent teacher who was well-prepared. He made one comment on which I reflected. A comment that I accepted as fact years ago. Now, with a different mind, I would like to discuss it. He stated that the acceleration of technology occurred because the gospel was restored to the earth. He credited Joseph Smith with being the catalyst for innovation given his role as conduit in the restoration.
Comments? Can you see a connection between the dispensation of the gospel and the rate of technological innovation?
August 30, 2015 at 9:06 pm #303448Anonymous
GuestYes, there is an obvious connection: They occurred around the same time.
(very broadly speaking and from a selective view)
I think there are semi-universal things that have happened at times in history that make me wonder about divine influence, but, if I were to address your question more seriously,
from a faithful Mormon perspective,I would say the Reatoration had to occur in a time of advancing technology so the people could begin to understand the grand theology to a greater degree. There are so many assumptions that can and should change and grow in an age of advanced technology – and, ironically, some of those things that need to evolve are the heart of conservative fundamentalism. The universality of humanity, the possibility of universal connectedness, the breakdown of territoriality and tribalism, acceptance of differences that used to get people killed (even recently and still) – all of this is due partly to advancing technology, and technology largely drives theological evolution and “doctrinal pruning”.
So, going back to your question, I would reverse the order. Joseph didn’t usher in advancing technology; advancing technology allowed for further light and knowledge to explode around us and create the environment necessary for a restoration.
August 30, 2015 at 10:25 pm #303449Anonymous
GuestI don’t know to answer. On the one hand we can further technology whenever we reach a place where people are civil enough to work together. On the other hand wars and being prepared for warfare have driven technological advances. Cutthroat capitalism has also helped further things along. Were the leaps in technology that helped land a man on the moon advanced out of love, charity, and kindness or fear and an attempt to show superiority? I suppose it depends on who you ask, a politician or a regular Joe diagramming a circuit board. This is also a question where the answer depends on where someone is coming from. Many people believe that scientists can only make the advances that god allows them to make. Every invention was a revelation from god. From that perspective every advance is likely gospel related.
August 31, 2015 at 12:25 am #303450Anonymous
GuestI can see the correlation (if I squint my eyes hard enough), but I’m not sure if I buy it completely. Joseph Smith and the early saints learned pretty quickly that they didn’t fit in with the rest of the world, so they actively sought out Nauvoo as a place to separate themselves from the world in a way. Then Brigham took them way out where they were completely secluded. Personally, I believe that the seclusion is what allowed the church to survive. It was able to grow and take root, where they were insulated from the rest of the world. Brigham Young knew that technology might benefit the saints, like steam engines carrying granite to the temple lot, but he also feared what else it would bring into their little world: outsiders. It seems like the church always finds a way to use technology to it’s advantage to spread the gospel, but it also seems like the leaders are wary of technological advances initially. I think they’ve made the most of technological advances, as a necessity. I don’t necessarily think that God has given us all of this technology, for the church or any other reason. Look at the technology (or lack of technology) that Christ had to work with… August 31, 2015 at 1:16 am #303451Anonymous
GuestFrom Jesus Christ Superstar: Judas wrote:Every time I look at you I don’t understand
Why you let the things you did get so out of hand.
You’d have managed better if you’d had it planned.
Why’d you choose such a backward time in such a strange land?
If you’d come today you could have reached a whole nation.
Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication.
Don’t you get me wrong.
I only want to know.
August 31, 2015 at 3:21 am #303452Anonymous
GuestI see it quite differently. I think technology has and does accelerate the teachings of the gospel, and has done so at least from the invention of the printing press. Did God inspire the printing press? Danged if I know. Did God inspire computers so that missionaries can teach the gospel on Facebook? Again, I don’t know – but I do doubt it. I think there’s as much credence in the theory that the aliens who landed at Roswell are behind the surge in electronic technology. Confirmation bias (a Jedi mind trick) can go along way with a (weak minded) TBM .
August 31, 2015 at 3:48 am #303453Anonymous
GuestFunny one DJ! I used to think this was a bit true, but the more science I dive into and as I have seen the Internet unfold (I was on the internet even before the first web browser) I just feel that is more of a stretch. Maybe I am being tainted as the church was SOOO slow to deal with the internet. Did they not JUST release a way for EQ Pres and such to do the home teaching input from a computer other than the one in the clerk’s office? I mean that was way more than 10 years later than it should have been – let along cutting edge.
August 31, 2015 at 12:38 pm #303454Anonymous
GuestEver try to get your grandfather to adopt the latest technology? Either they don’t see the need and it’s completely irrelevant to their lives (I’ve lived this long without xyz, why start now?) or they end up putting a black piece of tape over the blinking 12:00. It’s really no surprise that the church is slow to adapt to new technologies, aren’t all the leaders someone’s grandpa’s (or great-great-great-great grandpa’s)? :angel: August 31, 2015 at 3:18 pm #303455Anonymous
GuestMy ward just announced that the church is trying to do away with paper manuals. They recommend that people that have an internet enabled device download the gospel library app. The ward will still purchase paper manuals for those that do not have one of these devices but is encouraging everyone to use the app instead. August 31, 2015 at 4:08 pm #303456Anonymous
GuestBit backwards here, because by the time that modern Christian missionaries have reached any area or people it is getting opened up to technology. The agricultural revolution, the renaissance, the numerous Chinese inventions, printing… all of these were before JS came along. In fact, he benefited from some of them. The industrial revolution also began arguably before Smith. The first people to leave the Earth’s surface mechanically in the 1780s, the Montgolfier brothers did most of their work before him too.
Technology is only as good as the people who use it of course. We see many things being developed/invented these days which can be used for good or ill – I was watching someone from MIT talking about mind control devices, which he intends to use for averting dementia. Of course, such technology could be employed for more sinister purposes, like say GPS.
August 31, 2015 at 4:12 pm #303457Anonymous
GuestRoy wrote:My ward just announced that the church is trying to do away with paper manuals. They recommend that people that have an internet enabled device download the gospel library app. The ward will still purchase paper manuals for those that do not have one of these devices but is encouraging everyone to use the app instead.
I see this more as an effort to cut costs, than an effort to embrace technology. If the online manuals cost the church more than the paper manuals, then they wouldn’t be pushing it.
August 31, 2015 at 4:14 pm #303458Anonymous
GuestHoly Cow wrote:Roy wrote:My ward just announced that the church is trying to do away with paper manuals. They recommend that people that have an internet enabled device download the gospel library app. The ward will still purchase paper manuals for those that do not have one of these devices but is encouraging everyone to use the app instead.
I see this more as an effort to cut costs, than an effort to embrace technology. If the online manuals cost the church more than the paper manuals, then they wouldn’t be pushing it.
A lot of them end up dumped or damaged, so not completely stupid.
August 31, 2015 at 4:21 pm #303459Anonymous
GuestSamBee wrote:
A lot of them end up dumped or damaged, so not completely stupid.Definitely. I don’t think it’s a bad idea to reduce paper manuals. I just don’t see think the purpose is to embrace technology. It’s more to reduce that waste and cost.
August 31, 2015 at 4:52 pm #303460Anonymous
Guestnibbler wrote:Ever try to get your grandfather to adopt the latest technology? Either they don’t see the need and it’s completely irrelevant to their lives (I’ve lived this long without xyz, why start now?) or they end up putting a black piece of tape over the blinking 12:00. It’s really no surprise that the church is slow to adapt to new technologies, aren’t all the leaders someone’s grandpa’s (or great-great-great-great grandpa’s)?
:angel: It is my understanding that Elder Packer bought everyone in the Q12 iPads. A couple of them are quite open about encouraging the use of technology, Ballard and Bednar come to mind. On the other hand, the sabbath training included a quote from Ballard about refraining from use of devices during SM (not just during the sacrament), which fueled the anti-techies in our stake.
August 31, 2015 at 7:19 pm #303461Anonymous
GuestWhat is more technology (the Internet) doing to the Gospel? Not accelerating it faster. It is slowing. So…no. The theory doesn’t hold up. There are other factors to look at to describe human behavior. I do like how our church tries to use the technology. I love pulling up scriptures on my tablet and phone, and getting YW personal progress tools and ward directories. It’s more efficient. Just as the porn industry finds it more efficient.
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