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September 1, 2015 at 6:22 am #210145
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GuestI love and believe the Gospel, but I really dislike the Church. I hate 3 hour meetings on Sunday as well as a whole bunch of other non-doctrine stuff. I have decided that I am only going to attend Sacrament meetings, but every Sunday, the Bishop and missionaries keep asking if I am staying. I want to tell the Bishop why I dislike the Church and my decision not to be tortured to death on Sundays. Do you think that is a good idea? (I won’t be intimidated by the Bishop).
September 1, 2015 at 11:43 am #303667Anonymous
GuestIt does seem like you are on their radar as a project. I won’t answer your question directly on “should” you tell your bishop. But if you decide to I can suggest that you not use the word “torture”. I wouldn’t want to send vibes to the bishop that you are being stubborn or rebellious, but instead help invoke their sense of charity and symphathy. I have found that most bishops are actually caring people. I would assume they see it as “he will be just more filled with the spirit the more meetings he attends”, so they feel like they are trying to help you.
So instead I would say, “I like attending Sacrament meeting and I feel good after that meeting, but when I go the entire 3 hours I come away drained and very unfulfilled, like I don’t want to come the following week. So I am doing the best that I can. I fear if I am strong-armed to feel like I am not welcome if I only come to Sacrament meeting, then my decision might be to skip that also. I don’t want that.”
September 1, 2015 at 12:00 pm #303668Anonymous
GuestI’ve found that going light on the details is sometimes the safest path. You only need to answer the question, not give reasons. Are you staying?
No, not today, but thanks for the invitation.
I know it’s hard though. People have a real need to be heard and understood. That need isn’t met when we’re always bottling up most of the things we’d like to say.
September 1, 2015 at 12:23 pm #303669Anonymous
GuestI tend to be in the direct with people so they know where they stand. However, this can also burn bridges and make you subject to long-term labels. But it has the effect of stopping the unwanted behavior, such as asking you to stay for the meetings other than sacrament meeting. I might be inclined to tell the missionaries and the Bishop that at this point in your spiritual journey, you feel happier, and more spiritually fed with staying for an hour. You are not sure you can sustain activity with three hours of church on Sunday. Don’t go into specifics about why, even if they ask. But then leave yourself open to changing. Indicate you hope that will change in the future, but that is how you feel right now.
If they press for reasons, indicate you can’t put your finger on it — you just find that the three hours is difficult for you and it is interfering with how you feel about church at this time. In leaving early, you are doing what you have to do in order to stay committed.
Also, consider moving it around. Go to Sacramement meeting one week, SS the next, and the other meeting on a subsequent week. This way each leader sees you once every three weeks and your absence is less conspicuous.
September 1, 2015 at 12:28 pm #303670Anonymous
GuestNo. “Thanks for your concern,” with a smile, is my advice.
September 1, 2015 at 12:30 pm #303671Anonymous
GuestAs others have said, I recommend not being specific should you decide to talk to anyone. No good will come of it. The kind of “thanks for your concern” or “this is where I’m at” response is good, without any detail. Generally the active types who have never seriously questioned don’t understand anything further than that. September 1, 2015 at 2:05 pm #303672Anonymous
GuestLookingHard wrote:So instead I would say, “I like attending Sacrament meeting and I feel good after that meeting, but when I go the entire 3 hours I come away drained and very unfulfilled, like I don’t want to come the following week. So I am doing the best that I can. I fear if I am strong-armed to feel like I am not welcome if I only come to Sacrament meeting, then my decision might be to skip that also. I don’t want that.”
Hmm…that sounds better than “bishop, have you ever tried to stay awake for three hours with a hangover?”
OK, never did that one, but I have pointed out to him a few times that I’d gone to a Church singles activity 2-3 hours away that ended at midnight, and it was pushing my limits to make it to 9AM Sacrament meeting at all.
September 1, 2015 at 3:20 pm #303673Anonymous
GuestWOW! You people are awesome! 
Yes, I am on their radar as their little project. Most of the time, I do not mind. The missionaries call every Sunday morning to see if I am coming to church. They also stop by at least once a week. I was fine with it until last week when they asked who I could invite to learn about the gospel. How do you approach someone when you feel the way I do……. “
Hi. Want to come to my church where you will be tortured on Sunday for 3 hours and they will ask all kinds of ridiculous things of you that you could never accomplish (FHE, genealogy, a calling, temple attendance, service projects, cleaning the church building at 7am on a Saturday morning, feeding the missionaries, getting your kids to Seminary at an ungodly hour EVERY FREAKING morning)?” I like your advice (not saying “tortured” even though I
reallywant to say it, give little details, etc). BUT…. how are things ever going to change? I think if more members voiced their disagreement, things would change. I am probably optimistic on that, but I do not think we should suffer in silence…..and I feel I am suffering by the unrealistic expectations of church leaders. I am so glad I found this forum!!!!!
September 1, 2015 at 4:15 pm #303674Anonymous
GuestThe only person that we can change is ourselves. In that light I don’t think it’s a matter of waiting for changes to occur in our environment. Church leaders are going to continue to minister to people the only way they know how, call me a pessimist but I don’t see that changing any time soon. We have to take action and learn how to change ourselves to achieve the desired outcome. I believe the key is to learn how to establish and enforce healthy boundaries. That’s easier said than done, especially in the church.
September 1, 2015 at 6:15 pm #303675Anonymous
GuestThere is a woman in my ward who now only goes to Sacrament Meeting. Her children are grown and gone, her husband disaffected. She is friendly, but clear. A handshake, a hug, a smiling hello and then a quiet walk out the door. In my parents ward a couple has chosen to only attend 9 am Sacrament Meeting. It doesn’t matter what ward has that time slot, that’s when they go to church. They too do it with a smile and cordiality.
The recent Sabbath training focused a lot on Sacrament being the main purpose of services. You can use that as your support line if you really feel pushed. “I am here to take the Sacrament and love the meeting we do it in.” After that you can be done.
September 1, 2015 at 6:22 pm #303676Anonymous
GuestI want to add an additional perspective though. The missionaries are coming by every week — in hope. So are some other members. I would ask yourself if you think it’s fair to keep them coming due the hope they feel. As someone who has experience in sales, I’d rather someone told me where they stood rather than “leading me on” — even though I know that you are not consciously doing that. You are NOT leading them on intentionally — but lack of explaining how you feel, along with indicating things may change in the future — at least tells them where to stand. YOu could even share that perhaps you don’t want to the follow-up — in a nice way. That way they can move on to the next project.
September 1, 2015 at 6:36 pm #303677Anonymous
GuestBuffetMormon wrote:WOW! You people are awesome!

Yes, I am on their radar as their little project. Most of the time, I do not mind. The missionaries call every Sunday morning to see if I am coming to church. They also stop by at least once a week. I was fine with it until last week when they asked who I could invite to learn about the gospel. How do you approach someone when you feel the way I do……. “
Hi. Want to come to my church where you will be tortured on Sunday for 3 hours and they will ask all kinds of ridiculous things of you that you could never accomplish (FHE, genealogy, a calling, temple attendance, service projects, cleaning the church building at 7am on a Saturday morning, feeding the missionaries, getting your kids to Seminary at an ungodly hour EVERY FREAKING morning)?” I like your advice (not saying “tortured” even though I
reallywant to say it, give little details, etc). BUT…. how are things ever going to change? I think if more members voiced their disagreement, things would change. I am probably optimistic on that, but I do not think we should suffer in silence…..and I feel I am suffering by the unrealistic expectations of church leaders. I am so glad I found this forum!!!!!

I have taken to telling the missionaries that I take a much more passive stance on missionary work. I live the gospel, people know I’m Mormon. If they want to know more I’ll tell them, and if they get to a point where they are ready for the missionaries I will refer them. If a missionary pushes I become much more direct and tell them to knock it off (nicely). Having been a missionary and having a missionary child, I recognize what they’re up against. They’re just trying to do what they think is right. FWIW, dumping on them is a really bad idea – worse than dumping on the bishop IMO. Missionaries are not mature enough to deal with the issues and in many cases are fragile enough themselves that they can be thrown into a tailspin – not something I want to do to them.
I don;t disagree with what SD says right above me, though. You could gently let them know they don’t need to call you on Sunday.
September 2, 2015 at 7:37 pm #303678Anonymous
GuestOld-Timer wrote:No.
“Thanks for your concern,” with a smile, is my advice.
I totally agree with this approach Ray has suggested.
Your reasons are your own, and if you go into any elaboration, you will potentially open yourself up to them working to “overcome your objections.” Missionaries are taught to do that.
September 2, 2015 at 9:08 pm #303679Anonymous
GuestQuote:Old-Timer wrote:
No.
“Thanks for your concern,” with a smile, is my advice.
I agree with Ray on this one. Anything you say will be distorted and take on a life of its own.
Maybe add, “Elders, I appreciate the calls you have made to check on me, but calls are not necessary. Thank you so much.
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