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    Anonymous
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    Okay the one thing that bugs me big time – BEING THE WARD SERVICE PROJECT.

    The sister missionaries appeared on the doorstep at 8:50 pm tonight using the line “We prayed and felt led to your house.” In my eye. Their day ends at 9 pm. Yes my husband has been gone for 7 years, but seriously. Even I don’t buy the prayer thing. If you really care just treat us nice. You will win many more points that way then playing the inspiration card.

    I had to laugh though, I heard the door knock and woman’s voice, I assumed it was my across the street neighbor. My husband answered, let them in, told them he was the ward apostate when they said they wanted to leave a message. Once they came in, he offered them juice, water, milk – they didn’t want any. Probably afraid he’d taint it. Then he comes and gets me. I can’t believe he let them in. We make lame talk about weather, family pets, ward boundaries. I point out how late it is, they say they have to go. I offer them chocolate chip cookies. Suddenly they want a snack. So I get them some.

    I know they are young girls, just starting out, and they were polite, but seriously, nothing says marginalized better than making the ward apostate a service project. Gotta Love Mormonism. ;) Thanks for letting me vent.

    #304468
    Anonymous
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    I’m so sorry.

    #304469
    Anonymous
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    I didn’t like being the project as well, only I made it clear I didn’t like it and it worked. I’m sorry for you and with you. From another point of view, our missionaries don’t have anywhere near enough to do and are usually trying to stave off boredom and avoid knocking on doors.

    #304470
    Anonymous
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    I play the “I attend a different Ward” card. That way they know you are still involved. So, you don’t come across as apostate. Problem for them, nothing is visible. So they can’t be judgmental, except for your decision to dismiss the Ward boundary rule. All they have to go on, is what you disclose. I just say “we attend a different Ward now”. If they ask for reasons, I point to bullying of my daughter and my inability to get anyone to go to our home ward.

    This has worked so well that the WML came over with missionaries and asked for referrals recently. We still receive home teachers once a quarter. The WML and missionaries will show up in a week or two to ask who we have available for them to teach. No apparent knowledge of just how much I’ve degenerated since the good old days when we were fully committed to our own Ward. And so, I don’t feel like a service project — only someone they want to woo back to the Ward so they can put me in leadership :)

    It works even better if the Ward you attend is in a different Stake. Use church policies and barriers to your advantage…

    #304471
    Anonymous
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    I wonder which is worse, to be a project or to be forgotten.

    #304472
    Anonymous
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    Someone once said the only thing worse than being hated is being ignored.

    I personally feel bad giving people false hope as they come around to my house. In a way, I think it’s better for them to know there isn’t a lot of hope and they should move on to another project. So, although some think being ignored is the worst thing, I think calling off the dogs can be a good thing for the sake of the active Mormons’ time.

    #304473
    Anonymous
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    GBSmith wrote:

    I wonder which is worse, to be a project or to be forgotten.


    For me…being a project is worse. But I know many many many people who would be more offended to be forgotten than to be reached out to. Some people even are waiting to see if anyone will care enough to make them a project.

    So…different people have different needs. The church members will cast a wide net out of sincere good intentions.

    mom3, your husband sounds like a good guy…inviting them in and offering them food. That’s very christian. It is ossible the sisters had 10 more minutes and were trying to be obedient to fill their day when they felt impressed to stop by. As a missionary, I often got promptings on families who were conveniently close to our route of activity that day…because they were in the right place at the time. Haha.

    Here is one of my favorite stories of being a missionary and being “prompted”:

    My companion and I didn’t get a long…he was in fist fights with every one of his companions throughout his mission. I was 2 months from going home, and the mission president saw an opportunity…as an experienced missionary and someone with a calm personality, I might be able to calm this difficult elder down. As a gung-ho missionary with “passion” this younger missionary might be able to keep me motivated and not get trunky.

    To get along, we tracted and visited members all day. The more I was doing something with him, the less I had to deal with his temper and emotions. I kept him busy.

    We had been out all day and tracted a neighborhood and the night was coming and before we would head home for the night…I told him I really really had to go to the bathroom. I couldn’t hold it any longer. We were close to the church and I told him we should stop by…since we had church keys.

    We stopped and saw the bishop’s light on in his office…but honestly, I didn’t care….I bolted straight for the men’s room. (oops…this is a little TMI…sorry). Anyway, I came out of the men’s room and the bishop was talking to my companion in the hall, and he told the bishop

    Quote:

    Elder Heber13 felt a strong impression we needed to stop at the church building, so we did.

    To which the bishop replied:

    Quote:

    I can’t thank you two elders enough for listening to the spirit. Just before you came, I had left the door open by mistake, and this stranger came in the church, he was in dirty clothes and looked homeless. He came in my office and told me a sad story of his dire condition…and asked for money to help him out, coming to the church for help. I told him about the welfare program, and that we don’t have money on hand, but we do have ways a person can find assistance as they participate with the church welfare program.

    At that point, he started cursing and threatening me, and he pulled a knife on me. I realized I was alone…with this strange, angry man in my office…and he blocked my way from going anywhere with a knife. I didn’t know what I was going to do.

    It was just then, that we could hear the church doors open, and you two came in with Elder Heber13 rushing off in a hurry. It startled the man, and he took off running.

    Thank you both for listening to the spirit

    :wtf: All I could think was…that was the first time the Spirit made me wanna have a bowel movement. :lolno:

    I just thought of that, because I also wonder if the sister missionaries were out and about doing stuff and stopped by for some reason all their own…and may or may not have had anything to do with your situation or your husband. It could be they were directed by the ward council to treat you like a project. Or it could be missionaries just going about their business. IDK. Either way…you treated them hospitably, which is good. They are likely naive to the things you and your husband know about God, but…they mean well mostly.

    #304474
    Anonymous
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    What a great story!

    mom, I’m sorry about the awkward moments. Knowing that I could become a project is part of what keeps me in and under the radar.

    #304475
    Anonymous
    Guest

    sounds like you had a burning in your bladder, not your bosom.

    #304476
    Anonymous
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    This is partly why I like working in non profits. There is no assumption that people will care about u. Or serve u when u r in need. You are there to make a contribution to society and don’t view the organization as a community but as a place to express your skills and desire to help others.

    Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk

    #304477
    Anonymous
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    Live hebers story. Will have to describe the time someone I knew had a burning in the lower intestines which then saved a life!

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    #304478
    Anonymous
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    Thanks – so many great insights and support. I am still trying to figure out why this riled me so much. I have been a member all my life, I know how the process works, I shouldn’t be surprised. Our few minute chat wasn’t too bad. Nothing deep, but they fulfilled their assignment (or were still looking for the bathroom – we may never know), it was only 10 minutes but it hit a nerve like I haven’t felt in a while.

    I do know that some people would be thrilled to have the drop by. Whether they were lonely or praying for the missionaries or just good ol’ supportive members. I have friends and family with kids out in the field, to have a house to sit down in and chat is probably very nice after door knocking, boredom, and rejection.

    To the best of my grasping it was the lines about “Praying and inspired to visit you” and “Leaving us a message” that smacked me.

    They didn’t create the rules, they are barely out of high school, they are still learning to ask guys out, so who can blame them for the weirdness. At the same time it made me really defensive. I did feel intruded upon, I am an active ward member, I participate in classes and have a calling. Yes my husband doesn’t but sending two pretty twenty somethings isn’t the answer. Or if it is we have a huge other problem. I guess I felt like a number. “#52 your orders up.” or “Clean up on aisle 7.” We teach each other to do just that, subtle digs.

    I paced my kitchen for awhile about it. My agnostic husband was less bothered than I was, he went to sleep. I couldn’t. In my pacing all I could hear were those famous JS words, “All these things shall give the experience.” Yippee. I won’t ever be in another ward or stake council, I won’t get to share what it feels like to be door stopped because someone has judged you “lost” and in need of “rescue”. That experience – big lot of help. Yes I get the idea that I probably did something just as thoughtless to someone else before, probably even on some errand from PEC or the like. It made me cringe.

    Part of me wanted to shout “To whoever is running this faith crisis show, I didn’t ask for this. I did all the right stuff, I served with sincerity, I paid money and time, and faith. I read scriptures, I attended the temple, did the visiting teaching. And this – this journey of discovery is what I get. That and two young girls who probably don’t even know what their school majors are, are sitting in my front room feeling virtuous for reaching out to the lost old lady. They have no idea what callings I have served in, what lessons I have taught, what leadership experiences I have overseen, or what GA’s I’ve eaten lunch with. (On that note does Elder Dellenbaugh of the 70 count as a GA, and likewise the deceased President James E. Faust.) If I am lost – I know where the building is, I can find my way back. In fact I will be there next Sunday, just like I was 2 weeks ago.”

    I didn’t shout because everyone was asleep and I knew it wouldn’t change things. I am still surprised by the impact. As you can read I will be working on cooling down for another month or so. I know this will drift off, that some real problem will fill it’s space, it always does. I am just glad to have all of you to sit with me, listen to me, and share your thoughts. It helps a lot.

    #304479
    Anonymous
    Guest

    I agree SD – I want to use it in a talk sometime. It’s perfect. The bladder that saved the Bishop.

    #304480
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Years ago, we visited Temple Square and took the kids to see the Christus. Two sister missionaries sucked up hard for a few minutes and then DEMANDED that we give them names of friends that they could submit for follow up visits. They were a little scary in their pressure sales tactics.

    I’ve been back to SLC a couple time since .. And I have avoided Temple Square. I’m afraid of the missionaries. Too much zeal.

    I would not want that on on my doorstep.

    What would happen if there was a greater focus on actually caring .. And less focus on numbers? I don’t think any of us want to just be a statistic of attendance. I like to think God cares more about us as individuals than he does about how many pages of scripture we each read today. I wish the church would take a step away from thinking like a corporation.

    A few months ago, our ward was involved in a community wide effort to renovate older homes. We worked really hard all day and made some huge changes on a home. The elderly owner was so grateful. Then the missionaries showed up and demanded that they be able to give a lesson. My efforts, my labor, my donations were all freely given. The missionaries made it look like the recipients of our labor were required to listen. They turned it into some weird “Free Steak Dinner if you listen to our Sales Pitch” moment.

    #304481
    Anonymous
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    Mom,

    You are one of the most compassionate and caring people I know.

    I fully respect you

    Roy

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