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The blog is blatantly and openly anti-Mormon. It’s stated intent is to convince people to leave the LDS Church. We don’t allow links to it by rule, but the post will encourage people to go to it, even though that was not the intent.
Is anyone opposed to deleting the post? (Serious question. If you oppose that move, let us know.)
I was going to ask the same question. Thanks to Roy for bringing my attention to it. I support deleting it. It needs to come down. I appreciate Roy and Ray looking into it. I think Heber hit on a great point right before Roy answered, people who go through crisis find the world empty and go looking for something, to me anti becomes very negative in people’s lives, whether’s it’s anti church or anti a group of people. I have no interest in helping someone add anger to their lives, the transition is hard enough. I also am still confused about churchistrue. I can’t figure him out or his motive, I am trying to keep an open mind but Zelph and Shelf isn’t helping.
I also am keeping an eye on churchistrue. I have wanted to look more closely at his actual blog but haven’t done so yet. I am trying to check it out tonight. I am going to delete the post. Thanks for your input, everyone.
I have read a couple of churchistrue’s blog posts and I don’t see any real concerns. They do seem to fit with the mission of our site and speak from a believing point of view. In what I have read, there is nothing encouraging anyone to leave the church. I will also note that his site/blog (there is more there than the blog) seems to be only slightly older than his membership here. That also isn’t a concern to me because I don’t see any advertising on the site so for whatever he reason he wants to drum up site visits doesn’t appear to be monetary. Sometimes I wonder if he’s not trying to stir the pot, however, in a way similar to what Rob does. (Speaking of Rob, he has been absent the past few days.) I honestly think that churchistrue views StayLDS as a supplement to the comments section for ?his? blog posts. It’s easier to have a discussion when there are a few more people in the room. So, I have done some additional digging in order to better understand the motives for the Zelph on a Shelf bloggers. From what I can tell they have fallen hard into the other side of the coin from the church being true to the church being false. Not only is the church false from their standpoint but it is also harmful. From my observations, they appear to feel that everyday that passes for members in the church is going to make it that much harder and more painful when these members ultimately find out the ugly truth. The faster they can disseminate the CES letter the better and everyone that leaves the church is a step in the right direction.
This confuses me because even if the church claims are not true we LDS are no worse than the JW’s, SDA’s, or many other religious groups. Samantha even said on the podcast that the LDS church provided an upbringing “better than most” and that the LDS church had a better chance of being true than Scientology. Why then the anti-tone?
I have tried to find a way to contact them through the blog to ask for clarification but have not found any such method.
nibbler wrote:I honestly think that churchistrue views StayLDS as a supplement to the comments section for ?his? blog posts. It’s easier to have a discussion when there are a few more people in the room.
I noted that Churchistrue posted a link to his blog in the comments section of the Mormon Stories piece. Nobody seemed to pick up on his comment and churchistrue did not comment any further.
I do not have any problem with churchistrue. He seems to be a little to the right of many of us here. Perhaps he uses his blog to get his thoughts out in the open (not terribly unlike mackay). I appreciate that he does not seem to be pushy about his ideas but rather seems to be pondering and feeling his way through the issues like most of us.
People tend to feel more strongly about things that hurt them than about things that hurt others – and see those personally hurtful things as particularly bad. I think that is the case here: They feel Mormonism hurt them and, therefore, is particularly bad. It is a complete lack of perspective – and, as we say often, a lateral move to a different manifestation of the exact same black-and-white, stage 3 paradigm.
In many cases, the compassionate tone to those who feel hurt and are reacting or over reacting (stage 4) in pain, is to validate them and listen and understand. The worst thing in my opinion is to get into a contra-stage-3 approach of trying to convince them to stay and the church is true and they are seeing it wrong. Better to reveal the radiance of our own discovery that all those painful things do exist…but the church is also a good place trying to be better with good people trying to be better.
They need to be told they can leave if they want to…it doesn’t make them a bad person to follow their heart and their path.
But…based on my experience…there are good ways to stay.
I’m preaching to the choir…I know…just sharing how I see it so I moderate to make sure the ones in pain are not blocked and moderated. They have a voice and it can be supportive to let them voice it while they work it out. But there are limits to when it becomes counter to our forum mission, and therefore moderating when it is not going to be productive for people working to stay in the church…or leave the church on good terms and stay connected with people (like family) in the church.
It is not about who is right or wrong. It is about how we deal with it when we are in a mormon environment, regardless of beliefs.
I guess I’m trying to say…I like letting nonbelievers have a voice on our forum. They need support too…but with boundaries. You all get what I mean.
Heber13 wrote:They need to be told they can leave if they want to…it doesn’t make them a bad person to follow their heart and their path.
Exactly Heber! The whole thing reminds me of the Butter Battle book by Dr. Suess
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Butter_Battle_Book I understand that there are different ways to butter toast…I just don’t like the divisions and hostility and rhetoric that gets used on both sides of the isle.
I was wondering about this one. Yeah, should have been taken down from the get go.
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