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October 14, 2015 at 4:27 am #210242
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GuestMy early life was without much religious direction. I was certainly taught to be honest, kind, hard working and to genuinely care about others but without a formal religious framework. We did offer a cursory prayer over some meals as a family. Never any talk of God as playing a central role in my life. 1 brother, 1 sister, grew up in Idaho One set of grandparents were very spiritual Church attenders–not LDS. Die-hard social liberals but teetotalers and avoided tobacco, gambling, swearing… At the same time, they were very accepting of those around them with widely dissident views.
I was a quiet child, self confident on the outside but on the inside I did suffer as an adolescent lacking much self-esteem. I did not have a lot of friends to speak of. This did change to a degree as in high school.
I recall that I inherently had a strong dislike for alcohol and tobacco. Alcohol was freely consumed socially by adults around me as a child, sometimes to a level of excess and irresponsibility. I learned to avoid those who were most under the influence at social gatherings. To this day I hate the smell of alcohol on someone’s breath. Having said this, it never led to my mistreatment or abuse. I was scared to death of drugs and I recall an early appeal (8-10yo) to God in a prayer to help me never fall into the trap of drugs.
I did have a continued yearning for spirituality and morality. Even without much formal instruction, my sense of right and wrong dictated the importance of waiting for sex until marriage and the avoidance of alcohol, tobacco, and drugs.
At the same time, even though I did have these churnings within me, I don’t know that I really valued religion or a formal church connection. Why would you want to go to Church when you could watch football or play baseball??
As I went into HS, I began to have more friends but right along with this they began to change. My friends were starting to be more inclined to party, drink, thinking about drug use. Although, I did try alcohol a few times, I never felt good doing it or about myself after the fact, never any drugs.
About this time came my initial introduction to Mormonism. Girlfriend, other friends, good examples most of the time.
I was interested in another path than that being taken by my non-LDS friends. Never had yet occurred to me that I would ever be a Mormon. If fact I really still did not know what one was.
I was eventually invited and attended a few times and there were talks that spoke to my moral code and resonated with who I wanted to be. I was welcomed by a multitude of people in the Church. I had never felt that degree of acceptance, love, fitting in. Eventually got a BoM and met with Elders. I don’t honestly remember details other than being asked if I agreed with some things and if I would be willing to follow certain commandments and be baptized. At that point, I really found no conflicts in the Law of Chastity, WoW… and so I said yes.
When I discussed this with my parents, there was some resistance, but not a lot. One of my friends warned me about the Mormons and that they had seen a video (Godmakers) at church…I really just ignored this as by that point, I was feeling really good at Church and it hit home for me. It gave me reason to follow a moral code, not to go down the path that seemed wrong to me intuitively. I had this huge group of people who seemed so genuinely excited and happy for me.
During this period, I was asked to read the BoM and determine if it was true. My method was to follow as the Elders had asked and I did ask God in faith. I remember one night I felt good and I recall warmness within me. I took this as an adequate witness to proceed with baptism.
I do not think this was an I KNOW moment. I had a lot of momentum headed in the baptism direction and I saw no reason to slow down, but a deep witness I did lack. I certainly got no divine brake light either.
In reality the Church was a huge social promotion to me. All of these people young and old thought I was great. I had NEVER had that before and I probably got too absorbed in the feeling that gave me.
I then for the most part was on a roll. I followed at most times with exactness, a few minor slip-ups.
College decision time was coming and I chose BYU. I recall that at one point after I was baptized and prior to going on a mission I had the feeling that I needed to know if this was all true, really know, not think or feel. Everyone else talked about KNOWING and I wanted that. I remember saying to myself that when I went to the temple; I would stay in there until I was certain. I don’t know why, but that plan never came to fruition.
Freshman year, dorms, this is really where the mission thinking went into high gear. Peers all so jazzed about the mission. I went to General conference with a bunch of them and remember just being on fire.
Tough on my family to get the news of going on a mission, but they were ultimately supportive.
I got my mission call to Brazil. Worked like a dog. I did have a desire to baptize and teach families and not small children. I did get wrapped up in the numbers at times, but I really felt that focusing on families, you could really affect a change in the world and with kids it was very hard for them to stay active. I recall asking president what would happen to those who went inactive and he said that it would have been better for them to never have been baptized or something to that effect. This troubled me–was I actually doing harm?
In my second area I recall seeing some anti-Mormon pamphlets and masons/temples and some other things. This shook me hard. It was my first real exposure to anything anti-Mormon. I had been taught that this was straight from Satan, but in my heart I had the ugliest feeling. Could that be true? Was I out on a mission on false premises??? NO, I could never make that type of mistake. Eventually I shelved these doubts. I don’t recall when I really learned about the priesthood ban-sometime after baptism and before mission, but it was kind of deemphasized and I was told it was not like that any more. I had not read any of the inflammatory remarks on race made by early church leaders. This deeply troubled me and has continued to grow as a canker over the years. Nonetheless this was also shelved.
I came home feeling a success. To this day, I know the mission experience made me a better man. I became fluent in Portugeuse , saw the world from a different cultural perspective, tried new food and met really good truly humble followers of Christ and his teachings.
Back to BYU. I was as orthodox and orthoprax as any recently returned clean shaven, early to rise, scripture toting, EQP, returned missionary. Found, courted and married my wife. I was pretty narrow minded in my approach to the wedding in regards to the exclusion of my family. Basically I said this is the way it is going to be take it or leave it. Very self-centered from my current perspective.
3 more years at BYU, no kids, TBM. D and C class made me wonder why 1838 was such a tough year. I investigated some, but these doubts were shelved.
Polygamy also rose to my mind, never a huge issue as I felt more distanced by time I think, but I was led to believe JS was not part of this at all.
Called as seminary teacher, 1st child born. I was traveling a lot for work. I was not so early to rise and I did not like seminary. I did not relate to HS students as I felt they were uncommitted and lazy. I did not feel I connected and teaching the BoM was hard for me. That only lasted a half a year before I asked to be released from the assignment. That haunted me for years because I felt it was my weakness and laziness that made me not want to do it. I felt I had committed the egregious error of saying no to a calling from God. I now see this as one of my testimony cracks starting.
As I continued my education, my wife was called as RS president and I became resentful of her time away from home.
Evidence contrary to my paradigm was mounting as I learned more about church history (Mountain Meadows), the setting of the BoM (Americas???, historical inconsistency), priesthood ban, Adam-God
This was a clash of growing intellect and trying to be humble and obedient spirit. I kind of got a pass on any serious expectations as far as church callings during these years due to my hectic schedule. I had doubts that were growing and resurfacing but the time and energy to deal with them was not there. Hardest years of my life die to work demands. Absolutely exhausted most of the time. I know I was clinically depressed for at least a couple of years. Held to the church as a warm welcoming community in contrast to the harsh world in which I existed otherwise. The church and my family were the only peace I knew.
Over time, I became less enthusiastic about the temple. Was monotonous. I did feel an escape from the world, which was nice, but it always had seemed sort of weird to me and even after these any years that has not faded.
Over the last several years, work has calmed, but my spiritual journey has spiraled down. Guilt for not fulfilling callings to other’s expectations vs. feeling justified in avoiding meetings that were a waste of time so I could be with my family. The party line church story vs. reality as told by more forthright modern Mormon historians. Trying to grasp at my testimony of the BoM, but the more I read the more errors and inconsistencies I see. I want to throw it across the room when I read about the skin of blackness. Buying books, more books looking for solace and peace. There is none-they all raise more questions. Looking somewhere for someone who might understand. To stay in the status quo is no longer feasible.
This punctuated by moments of great joy within the church. I love what it provided for my children, now 3, oldest 13.
I slowly began to express my concern, doubts and resistance to Church to my TBM wife. This blind-sided her, but she is loving and supportive 90%.
I built my life on this church and it veracity. If there are parts that are not true, then what does that mean? The domino effect. The church’s emphasis on it is either all true or all a fraud. Well I am confident it is not all true and if this is the case then what does that mean. It is FALSE???? How could that be? There are so many wonderful people and so much good. It has done so much good for me. I have built my family on it. It gives me a moral code and one to teach my family. AHHHH!! What do I believe? What do I think? My head is going to explode.
I just want to base my life on truth and I must live my life based on reality–not how I wish things were.
In looking back now, I was a primarily a convert to the Church, not to God or Jesus Christ. As my doubts and questions grew and parts of the perfect Church I had built in my mind began to crumble, it all came tumbling down. Now I am not sure of ANYTHING. I was and am at a loss of what to do and where to go. As I try to pick up pieces, I look for some sympathetic ears.
Now, for my current doubts/concerns:
Priesthood:
The Priesthood ban is the most salient issue that bothers me almost constantly. My conscience and intellect absolutely reject the idea that God, our loving Father would exclude a huge swath of humanity from the priesthood and temple blessings—ever—for any length of time. I really don’t buy the concept that it will all work out in eternity because this policy will have soured the large majority of an entire race of humanity against anything true and beautiful that might be found within the Church. I have tried and retried to justify or find some explanation in my mind, but all come up short. Making it worse are the terrible racist commentary and justification by Brigham Young, Bruce R McConkie, and others. I really feel the whole thing was just a terrible and tragic racist mistake. If so, then what else is a mistake? Elder McConkie said after the ban had been lifted to forget anything he or B. Young had ever said about the ban as they were working with limited light and knowledge. But if living prophets can make mistakes that exclude entire races from the blessings of eternity, I find this to be a HUGE problem emotionally, ethically, and intellectually. How are we to know when they are working with partial light versus full inspiration today?
LGBT:
I have relatives that are homosexual. Science and the Church would admit that homosexual attraction is not a matter of choice. For something so central to one’s identity as sexual orientation, I have a hard time imagining a Loving Heavenly Father that would place that kind of burden on one of his children, by instilling in them the homosexual identity, but then requiring celibacy. Are they to be deprived of the joy of family that is the greatest blessing of my life? How could God do that to one of his kids? Again there have been terribly derogatory and inflammatory statements and theories made by prophets in the past that sound strangely similar to those made about the priesthood ban. I’ll admit, that when I heard of these relatives being homosexual, I was disturbed and felt it was wrong, but the more I have pondered, I really wonder if the God we believe in would be so cruel. I think the Church is setting itself up for another humiliating PR/human rights fiasco by retrenching on this issue continually. There is still much homophobia within the church and how sad that we as a Church culture ostracize these people who by no choice of their own carry this burden. I do appreciate the Church’s somewhat softening stand on the issue with emphasis on love and tolerance, but if you tell someone, “I love you, but I think you behavior in regards to sexuality is nearly as sinful as murder,” I think they find it hard to feel loved.
Temple:
I have found profound peace in the Temple at times mostly with baptisms and initiatories. I have always had a hard time being inspired by the endowment. I have had growing concerns after learning of the major changes that have occurred to the endowment ordinance through history and its relationship to Free Masonry. I wonder if something so arbitrary would be considered by God to be essential for salvation.
Polygamy
I do accept that prophets are men and can make mistakes. But why didn’t I know Joseph was a polygamist? How could this have been brushed under the rug for so long? I maybe can accept that he was directed to do this but I am more apt to believe this was where he really got carried away under his own mantle. Another disturbing aspect is the lack of clarity in regards to where we stand now. We are still polygamists by temple standards (A man can be sealed to multiple spouses if one passes away). Also the OD 1, really does not denounce polygamy, but merely says that based on our situation, it is better that we abandon the practice. Was it a big mistake? If so, wow, the implications. If not, what does Section 132 mean for us today? Very confusing and unclear.
Meetings:
I get very frustrated by the church bureaucracy at times. Leaders opinions/preferences being laid out as policy. Meetings taking up inordinate amounts of time with minimal accomplishment, while as a Church body, we sometimes neglect those people and causes who could truly profit from our time and dedication.
Scriptures:
I am not much of a scriptural literalist. I really wonder if Jonah was swallowed by a whale, if Moses really parted the Red sea. . .The Bible passed through so many conduits and hands that I am more apt to think of these as stories with a moral gem to be learned. Similarly, the New Testament is a collection of letters and testimonials. It was not written with the intent that it would be scripture, but rather as persuasive literature. Don’t get me wrong. I find the New Testament inspiring and among the scriptures, I would say I enjoy its pages the most. I have mixed feeling about the BoM. There are some gems, but I have serious doubts about the historical narrative and as mentioned cringe when the “skin of blackness” is mentioned.
One true Church:
I do not believe we have a monopoly on the truth. It drives me mad when I hear people talk about “other churches” and how enlightened we are in comparison. I am apt to think we are a bunch or mortals trying our best to figure things out (Prophets and Apostles included) who form a good church among many other good churches. We may have a few unique glimpses at The Divine and eternity which form some of the most attractive aspects of Mormon doctrine (Possibility of salvation for all, Eternal families…).
Whitewashing history:
I am appreciative of the gospel topics essays, but how late in the game. How terribly damaging this delay has been to me and I imagine countless others. The feeling of having the rug pulled out from under you. The disillusionment, the feeling of betrayal.
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Thoughts of finding another path have entered my mind. I struggle frequently to know how to think, what to do, who to talk to and how to act. I have been angry with God, doubted his existence, pleaded with him, and at times felt assured of some higher power.
In the end, I find it very hard to stay, but I think I would find it exceedingly and excruciatingly hard to leave. I don’t know where I would go. I don’t know where I would lead my family. I am currently trying to commit to make this work for my family and I. It has been and is an exhausting mental and spiritual journey.
One of my greatest concerns is how to deal with these issues with my children. I feel compelled to be open and honest with them while not harming their fledgling faith and doing my best to help them build a strong moral foundation. I could not bear seeing them travel the road I am traveling because I did not warn them of the thorns on the path. With the internet and social media, I am confident they will be exposed to all of the controversy to which I have been exposed. What is my role in warning them and/or preparing them for this storm that lies ahead?
October 14, 2015 at 12:53 pm #305053Anonymous
GuestThanks for you Story. It really helps to get the background. I was checking off every item with the exception of having found peace in the temple. It has always felt either weird or nothing at all. I felt more watching The Lion King than any temple attendance.
I know it is hard to stay. I am really wondering how long I can keep doing what is needed to keep a recommend. I have no desire to drink, do drugs, fool around – none of that. I even think if my wife wants to continue to pay tithing (even on gross) I think I can live with that. I just want to get out of the mind-numbing and useless meetings. I would rather mow widow’s lawns and shovel snow than attend the 3 hour block each Sunday or attend useless meetings.
I am suffering from depression off and on and even though my marriage issues cause a bunch of it, I think I was in the process of coming to terms with that when my faith crisis hit. I think my faith transition and still facing being orthoprax (doing the “outward things” like church attendance, callings) is really emotionally draining me. I don’t have much anger or dislike of the church, just more of a “I don’t feel like being so much THERE as the church requires of a member in good standing”. Now that I am back in town after lots of work travel, I will be visiting the therapist again.
I hear you on the raising the kids. I struggle with that – including keeping my recommend so I can go to their weddings.
One question I have for you. How long has it felt like this is an actual “crisis” in your mind? I do always recommend taking it slow and really thinking things through.
You have come to a good place to help you work through these things. I look forward to having you post more of what you are thinking and feeling. Feel free to read and comment on some of the other threads. There is some good stuff here.
October 14, 2015 at 1:12 pm #305054Anonymous
GuestWelcome to the site, I’m glad you found us and hope you find the peaces you seek. Wow, your upbringing and early church experiences bear a stark resemblance to mine. I didn’t attend BYU, although I considered it, but the ideas about marriage in the temple and exclusion of family and all are very similar. I likewise eventually realized I was converted to the church and not the gospel and separating the two has made all the difference.
My feelings on the priesthood ban (and to an extent the current parallels with how the church treats LGBTs) are similar to yours. What works for me is believing the prophets and apostles are just men and actually most of what they say is uninspired (much of it is parroting). When they talk about core gospel principles (like Pres. Monson in conference last week) I’m all in, parroting or not. Everything else I look at as just that guy’s opinion. I also need to explain here that in order for that to work God needs to be hands off, and since I believe He is it works for me. Like Paul, I believe they and we see through glass darkly – but someday we won’t and will know.
I do not have a relative who is gay (that I know of) but I do have friends and a couple young men I watched grow up in the church who are. I totally agree – I can’t see how the church can say they didn’t choose to be gay yet they can’t express what is a normal and natural desire. I didn’t choose to be heterosexual, either, it’s just the way I am. I don’t know what God thinks about anything and I don’t think any human does. I know what the church teaches, though, and I disagree (and I’m not sure all of the top leadership agrees). My personal belief is that sexual sin is not as serious as is taught and that part of Alma is misinterpreted (I think he was actually talking about eschewing ministerial duties).
Other than peace, I also find little value in the temple and go very infrequently. I do not believe it essential for salvation.
I did know Joseph was a polygamist, but I didn’t know some of his brides were teenagers. I don’t believe polygamy is of God. I think Joseph made up many of the revelations, including Section 132. He was just a guy who I believe did have a profound spiritual experience and probably thought he was doing what’s right – he just happened to be wrong about some things and so have his successors. There is some seeing through glass darkly involved there as well, and I believe as was stated in another thread recently that Joseph believed all or most of his thoughts were from God so if he thought it, it was from God. He was wrong.
I agree with you about church meetings, both of the Sunday block variety and of the administrative variety. Likewise we focus way too much on the church its history and policies and other fluff and way too little on the Savior and His gospel.
I don’t take any scripture as literal – it again goes back to the seeing through glass darkly and being written by men. I don’t think the men were bad or had evil intent, I just think they wrote stories as they understood them and some of those stories were meant to be figurative (like the parables of Jesus). Jonah, in my opinion, is a parable and Job is more of a compilation of many stories rolled into one to illustrate the point. I prefer the New Testament as well, but also recognize there is embellishment and faith promoting rumor contained therein as well. However, I do use it as the standard for deciding what is and isn’t gospel – if it’s not in there it’s not doctrine as far as I’m concerned (hence my view of the temple ordinances). I think the Book of Mormon is a good book that teaches many of the principles of the gospel of Christ and can bring people closer to God and Christ – but it is not what it’s claimed to be. FWIW, there are other non scriptural books that can bring people closer to God and Christ as well.
I agree, we don’t have a monopoly on truth, the gospel, or the Spirit. I think most Mormons, especially those who have never been part of another church, might actually be quite surprised at the views of other churches on subjects like salvation for all and eternal marriage. Despite the “til death do us part” thing, most actually believe their marriages last beyond this lifetime. That brings in the question of authority/priesthood, which I also don’t believe we hold a monopoly on. In a nutshell, we’re not that special.
I agree history should not have been whitewashed and it has done more damage than good in the long run. The essays are a step in the right direction, and we need more steps.
All that said, and looking at what else you wrote, I, too was angry at God (for a long time) until I realized it’s not His fault. My anger shifted then to the church, but it’s not really the church’s fault either (although the institution did play a role in some of it). What it really boils down to is individual beliefs, and I recognize that I can believe differently and still be part of the institution and still believe the gospel as I understand it (this in large part thanks to guys like Pres. Uchtdorf). The journey is hard, the road is long – but I think it can be done. My children are older (my youngest is a senior in high school) and for much of their formative years I was not active. I don’t recommend that approach and would do it differently if I had to do it over (and knowing what I know now). My advice would be to be honest with them but not damaging. I often use the approach of presenting an alternative point of view – “well, it could be that Alma was talking about sex being a serious sin, but if we remove one phrase and look at the bigger context of the chapter he could also have been talking about….” I like to wait until they ask me or the discussion comes up rather than bringing it up. Admittedly they don’t know all of what I have just told you – my beliefs about the Book of Mormon, for example. In the end, even though we’re all on the path together, we each still need to find our own way – what works for us.
Lastly, it is possible to remain active in the church with your beliefs – sometimes it means letting others believe what they believe while choosing to believe what you believe, and sometimes that involves keeping your mouth shut.
October 14, 2015 at 2:32 pm #305055Anonymous
GuestHi, blindsided – I’m glad you’re here, and, man, do I identify with a lot of your story. I feel very confident telling you that being at this site will help. Just dealing with your number one issue first, does reading the church’s essay on blacks and the priesthood help? For me it was such a relief to see it in black and white – the admission that it was just men being (racist) men of their times. It also gives me breathing room in the present. We are undoubtedly making today’s errors right now. Not just me in my own life – the prophet, too. I don’t know why, but an aside comment Elder Christofferson made (during the court cases and the focus on his relationship with his gay brother) really struck me. Someone asked about transgender people and he said something like, “That’s something we don’t know very much about.” I thought, good for you, good for the church, to have that kind of awareness and be willing to be honest about it.
Thanks for your intro and welcome again.
October 14, 2015 at 2:40 pm #305056Anonymous
GuestYour background is extremely similar to my background. I’d fill you in on all the details but I’d end up repeating much of what you wrote. I joined the church a few months before graduation from high school, I had already been accepted into a non-LDS college at the time. There was no chance I’d alter my plans to attend BYU. No shorts? Pass. I mean even knee length, c’mon.
The only time I tried alcohol was when I was a kid and my family gave me the tiniest amount to see what it tasted like.
:sick: Alcohol was a rarity in my family anyway. By the time I made it to high school I had friends that drank and some of the things they did steered me clear of that path. That was one of the appeals of the church for me, a community where I didn’t have to worry about that temptation or any of the other potential issues inherit with alcohol. The only change I had to make was giving up tea.My family wasn’t really religious either (I did say your background was
verysimilar). I hadn’t been baptized so there was little resistance to joining. The Presbyterian family members weren’t that enthused, they may have taken issue with something Joseph said to his mother? My family did take issue with me serving a mission. It was an uphill battle but I understood where they were coming from. It was their way of expressing the love they had for me. Water under the bridge.
Your experience so mirrored mine that you helped me see something about myself during that era. I converted to the church instead of the gospel. I suspect many converts do. I was Christian before so that much was the same, it was the church that was shiny and new. Couple that with equating the church with the gospel and Christ and it’s no wonder that the church became a central part of my conversion.
In the early days I didn’t even give the anti-Mormon literature a second glance. They were easily dismissed as lies without carrying out personal investigations. The anti material wasn’t the best back then, lots of cartoons featuring bescowled people (is that a word?), the antis probably could have attracted more flies with honey. There’s nothing quite like taking a hostile approach in an effort to convince an otherwise peaceful group that they are in error. Oh well.
I think trying to reconcile and retain my experiences in this life while trying to shoehorn them into the concept of the afterlife is what got it all started for me. That led me to discover the loose thread of church history that had to be compulsively pulled until the sweater was destroyed. It kind of does a number on you when a large portion of your current testimony is of the church. DJ’s mention of decoupling the church and the gospel helps.
Doubts/concerns:
Priesthood:
I believe that nowadays even church leaders have absolutely rejected the idea that the priesthood ban came from god. The question that follows is only natural, what else could a prophet be incorrect about?
blindsided wrote:How are we to know when they are working with partial light versus full inspiration today?
I don’t see them any differently than I see myself. No one on earth is working from anything more than partial light. None of us are perfect. In many ways I’m appreciative of my new perspective. In the past I made a prophet responsible for spiritual progress, I could only progress along his path – but he doesn’t have my unique brand of weaknesses and strengths. Now I’m a little more autonomous in my approach. The question becomes, am I moving along my path with partial light or with partial light that’s a little bit brighter?
LGBT:
blindsided wrote:I think the Church is setting itself up for another humiliating PR/human rights fiasco by retrenching on this issue continually.
I agree.
blindsided wrote:There is still much homophobia within the church and how sad that we as a Church culture ostracize these people who by no choice of their own carry this burden.
I believe the only reason it’s a burden is because we have made it a burden for people.
I could go on. I’ll stop there and issue you a big welcome to StayLDS.
October 14, 2015 at 4:25 pm #305057Anonymous
GuestWelcome! Look forward to hearing more from you. October 14, 2015 at 6:52 pm #305058Anonymous
GuestDear Blindsided, Welcome to this forum, I hope it helps you on your journey. It has helped me tremendously.
I appreciate the detail and thought you put into your introduction and I found myself agreeing with much of what you wrote. I strongly relate with your comments about the ban, LGBT, polygamy, etc. Especially the white washing of history. I wonder if we all knew about these things if most people would shrug their shoulders and just think “that’s good to know.” Maybe like Catholics and their mixed history which is probably worse than ours. Perhaps a new section to Preach My Gospel called “Unsavory facts about our history” (half joking).
Best wishes for your family / spouse relationships. It can be difficult at times. Like you, when I disclosed the full extent of my doubts to my orthodox wife it floored her and she cried for 2 days. I went out of my way to say that it doesn’t affect my love for her and the kids. I don’t think she fully believes me, or at least she is confused by my professed unbelief vs. my very active participation in church. In some ways my marriage has suffered but in other ways it’s as strong as ever because I don’t feel like I’m hiding this from her. I do think it’s confusing for the kids because in family home evening sometimes they’ll get two lessons, one from dad and one from mom and we tell them they need to figure out their own pathway in the church and what they believe. Similar to you, I feel obligated to warn them what lies ahead. It does cause friction with my wife, but if they don’t get it from me they won’t get it until they are adults and find out the hard way like we did.
Hope to hear more from you.
October 14, 2015 at 10:02 pm #305059Anonymous
GuestWelcome and thanks for sharing your story with everyone. These are difficult things to go through it helps to lose and change some of assumptions. I like you was very black and white in my thinking and this did not help me when I heard and read things that did not fit neatly into my assumptions. Many of us can relate to where you’ve been and are now. I’ve found much peace through Eastern philosophies, before joining the church and still through today. I’ve found all the Grey areas when I thought it was all black and white, and eventually found color there as well. Peace on your journey. October 15, 2015 at 4:44 pm #305060Anonymous
GuestThank you for your introduction! So many things you said about how you are feeling I couldn’t have written better to describe me, especially where you are at now. This is a good place for you to be, and I hope you can find comfort here. I’m trying to make things work by staying, but it is a really hard place to be. I look at the church so differently now, and it is so hard for me to not be angry when I go to church, attend the temple, or read scriptures. I really feel blindsided too, with the whitewashed history that I’ve grown up with and putting prophets and general authorities on such a pedestal. I agree that the Church essays are a step in the right direction, but so few people know about them or would even read them if they knew. I’m really sick of TBM mormons, but it seems they are all around me and there is no way to escape it.
You are definitely not alone. I hope you can find some comfort here. Send me a PM if you’d like to talk further.
October 15, 2015 at 8:08 pm #305061Anonymous
GuestWelcome blindsided – blindsided wrote:In the end, I find it very hard to stay, but I think I would find it exceedingly and excruciatingly hard to leave. I don’t know where I would go. I don’t know where I would lead my family. I am currently trying to commit to make this work for my family and I. It has been and is an exhausting mental and spiritual journey. One of my greatest concerns is how to deal with these issues with my children. I feel compelled to be open and honest with them while not harming their fledgling faith and doing my best to help them build a strong moral foundation. I could not bear seeing them travel the road I am traveling because I did not warn them of the thorns on the path. With the internet and social media, I am confident they will be exposed to all of the controversy to which I have been exposed. What is my role in warning them and/or preparing them for this storm that lies ahead?
I just want to throw out there that there are more options than just to stay or leave. My family and I have participated in events and programs of several area churches. Vacation Bible School, Awanas, Pioneer Club, Royal Rangers & Missionettes (the last three are all programs similar to scouting but with more bible stories/religious theme) are just a few of the programs we have attended. I tell people that I am Mormon (or that my “home church” is Mormon) but that I enjoy supplementing my spirituality. I have met some really great selfless and accepting people.
We teach our kids that we are Mormon and follow such and such Mormon standards. I believe that it is healthy for them to see that coffee drinkers are not bad people. That the divisions between us are not as big as one might think.
For me personally this helps for me to have Mormonism not be such an all encompassing part of my identity. I hang out with Mormons in much the same ways that I hang out with Baptists, SDA’s, Pentecostals, and other assorted Christians – by connecting with good people and not expecting full doctrinal agreement.
This is a safe place to talk through the issues.
Again – Welcome.
October 25, 2015 at 4:55 am #305062Anonymous
GuestThank you for sharing your Journey. I am also a convert and joined this forum in May. When, from time to time, I revisit the feeling that I maybe I should give up trying and stop attending church, I make myself go back to the tab on this site “How to stay in the Church”. Sometimes I need to read the whole thing through again , but often I will just scroll down to where it begins “HOW TO ADAPT SO YOU CAN STAY”…Usually its there that I find my answer, and I gain a renewed will to look at all of the good being a member does for me and my family. I cannot abandon the main source of goodness in my life because its imperfect. Imperfection is why I need the gospel of Jesus Christ in the first place. I don’t believe anyone can live or run a religious organization without error, including the brethren in the church, past and present, because “inspired” or not, they are simply human.
My advice is to go with what your gut is telling you, and I think its telling you to stay and let it ride. I don’t need to tell you that the world is getting crazier by the week. All you have to do is read the headlines. Giving your children the gift of the LDS church as an anchor to hold onto is a tremendous act of love and sacrifice. As they grow , I bet you will find a way to teach them what you know about church doctrine/culture flaws and inconsistencies with great candor, as you have described your life’s journey likewise.
Good luck, and remember you are not alone!
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