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    I’m 36 years old, married with 4 kids (and one on the way!), born and raised in the Church. My experience in the Church has mostly been positive. Served a mission and married in the Temple. Over the last year I experienced a faith crisis. It has been tough but I have come to terms with it and wish to remain active in the Church.

    I have always enjoyed science and watching scientific documentaries. I especially like documentaries about the universe (like Carl Sagan’s “Cosmos”). While watching shows like this it would cause me to doubt and question religion. Another thing that caused me to question things was taking a world religions class in college. I questioned why God wouldn’t reveal his “true Church” to more people. Why wouldn’t someone else’s journey in another religion be just as valid and fulfilling as mine? What if another faith was “true” and I had it wrong? What if all religion was created by man? I never let these thoughts bother me too much and I continued to be active and believe in the Church.

    One of my four brothers is gay. We always got along fine growing up but the subject never got brought up. He went on a mission and stayed out about 6 months before he came home. This was very stressful for our family and especially my Mom. He eventually left the Church and now lives with his partner. He still gets together with the family every other year or so but never with his partner.

    One day I came across a video on Youtube. It was John Dehlin’s TedX talk “The Ally Within” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MxCXjfAunk

    This had a profound effect on me. It also led me to Mormon Stories where I listened to many of the podcasts. This led to a discovery of many concerning things about the history of the Church. I read the CES letter and other critical analysis of the Church. I began to get angry and saw a future where I could possibly leave the Church. My wife knew nothing about this. I also felt a desire to reach out to my brother. I called him and let him know that I didn’t believe anything was wrong with him because of his sexual orientation. It was a wonderful conversation where I felt the “Spirit” as strong as I have ever had in my life. It was very hard but eventually I had to talk to my wife about my faith crisis. She was completely shocked and devastated. I credit her for not insisting that I go talk to the bishop about it (which I still haven’t and don’t plan on doing). Over the next few weeks we had many discussions that usually ended up with one or both of us in tears. She continually would talk about how Satan was influencing me. The same thought gets portrayed in many talks and quotes in the Church. This really bothered me. How could Satan have been behind me reaching out to my brother and having such a beautiful experience?

    My wife’s brother is in a Stake Presidency nearby and she wanted me to talk to him. I was hesitant but decided that it would be ok. I knew from previous family gatherings that he was very thoughtful and open minded. When I told him that I had been experiencing some doubts his first reaction was “join the club”. He then said you would have to be crazy to not have these issues bother you. I immediately felt a burden lifted from me and saw a future for me in the Church. We then had a wonderful discussion on what the gospel means to him, all the positive aspects, and the need to separate the Gospel from the Church. He mentioned nothing of Satan deceiving me, that I was weak in my testimony, or that I was wrong in having these feelings.

    Since this time (6 months ago) I have been on a positive path with the Church. I have visited this site many times and appreciate the positive approach. The concerns and doubts are still there but I’m learning how to deal with them and look at things in a different way.

    My big obstacle now is that I have just been called as the Elders Quorum President in our ward. Because I haven’t talked to anyone in the ward about my journey, this is one of the risks that I faced. I was extremely anxious about this at first but after a lot of thought and pondering on the subject I feel at peace with it.

    This may sound weird but I want to end with why I’m grateful I had a faith crisis. I feel non-judgmental about everyone I come into contact with. I am open to opposing ideas and perspectives and the possibility that mine can change. I feel more genuine in my desire to help others and the love I have for my wife and kids. I feel less guilt and shame in my life. I don’t worry about what is out of my control and focus on what I can control.

    I look forward to support and advice from those on this site and the opportunity to serve and perhaps help someone going through a similar trial as me.

    #305870
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    Welcome. We are glad you chose to visit us. We are all a bit numb with yesterdays policy event. We have vented a bit but most of us are taking time to to process and heal. Please feel free to look around. Join or start a conversation. We are happy to have you.

    #305871
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    My wife’s brother is in a Stake Presidency nearby and she wanted me to talk to him. I was hesitant but decided that it would be ok. I knew from previous family gatherings that he was very thoughtful and open minded. When I told him that I had been experiencing some doubts his first reaction was “join the club”. He then said you would have to be crazy to not have these issues bother you. I immediately felt a burden lifted from me and saw a future for me in the Church. We then had a wonderful discussion on what the gospel means to him, all the positive aspects, and the need to separate the Gospel from the Church. He mentioned nothing of Satan deceiving me, that I was weak in my testimony, or that I was wrong in having these feelings.

    What a wonderful gift. Empathy. I love it.

    sdj welcome to the group.

    #305872
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    Good to hear your story. I have a brother in law who is gay and this led me to do a lot of thinking. I’m trying to hold it together too. I’ve had a real tough time with time consuming church calling that I have felt we’re not an efficient use of my time. I did unload to my bishop a month or so ago. Mostly a positive experience but I’m sure I won’t be called as EQP any time soon. :). If you can endure the time required, I think a leader at whatever level can really help guide an EQ or any other auxiliary to have a more open mind and accepting approach to others especially LGBT. I think in order for the church to change, we (the staylds type) have to be engaged or we lose to the ultra orthodox by default. Welcome

    #305873
    Anonymous
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    Thank you for your introduction. I’d love to have you as an EQP.

    Welcome to StayLDS. I also look forward to your insights.

    #305874
    Anonymous
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    Welcome sdj. I hope you continue to contribute to this site. It sounds like you have made part of your journey and have found some peace.

    I am not sure what your biggest issue is with being EQP, but one thought that comes to me is to think of how your brother in law helped you. There is bound to be some in your quorum that are going to have faith crisis or are even in one now. Maybe this is an opportunity to tell the EQ that you want the quorum to be a place where faith is built, but not assuming everyone is already there. Tell them you are not going to be telling them you have it all figured out – in fact far from it and you have doubts. Help them all to be able to talk in a more real way. Just a thought.

    sdj wrote:

    This may sound weird but I want to end with why I’m grateful I had a faith crisis. I feel non-judgmental about everyone I come into contact with. I am open to opposing ideas and perspectives and the possibility that mine can change. I feel more genuine in my desire to help others and the love I have for my wife and kids. I feel less guilt and shame in my life. I don’t worry about what is out of my control and focus on what I can control.


    I am there with you on this one. One thing I would say that my faith has increased is that if there is a God, I have to assume he is loving or I am damned anyway. So I am going to assume he is loving. The feeling I get when thinking about a loving God is that he wants me to help others. And not help with the motivation of “there, I put another mark on the ‘on my way to the celestial kingdom’ side of the ledger.” More of I deep in my heart just want to help people and I have put the trust of what comes after this life in his hands and I have stopped worrying about that. I feel very different in this way.

    #305875
    Anonymous
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    Welcome to the forum and thanks for posting your introduction. I also like watching science shows and documentaries -they actually give me more of an appreciation for God the Creator because it’s truly amazing what God did (no matter how it was done).

    I have also come to appreciate my faith crisis and transition and in some ways I am a better person because of it.

    I think it’s great you have a calling like EQP – you are in a position to subtly make real change and you are in a position to help others who run into questions and doubts and/or face faith crisis or transition.

    #305876
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    sdj wrote:

    I also felt a desire to reach out to my brother. I called him and let him know that I didn’t believe anything was wrong with him because of his sexual orientation. It was a wonderful conversation where I felt the “Spirit” as strong as I have ever had in my life.

    Hi, sdj – Thanks for your intro and we’re glad you’re here. Especially in light of yesterday, I’m recalling a similar experience that there’s no denying.

    And good luck with your new calling. :thumbup:

    #305877
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    DarkJedi wrote:

    Welcome to the forum and thanks for posting your introduction. I also like watching science shows and documentaries -they actually give me more of an appreciation for God the Creator because it’s truly amazing what God did (no matter how it was done).

    Isn’t it interesting how the same thing can be processed and viewed in different ways. What is interesting was that it would effect me like that BEFORE I had my faith crisis. For me I think it was getting my mind blown by trying to understand the size of the universe. Then I would ask “What is beyond our universe?”. “Are there countless universes?”. “If existence is so vast, then of course we exist simply because there is limitless opportunities for us to exist.”… :crazy: OK I need to stop thinking about it. Anyways, thank you everyone for the welcome. And I have to say DarkJedi, when I first started looking around this site months ago your posts really stuck out to me. I admire your thoughtfulness and wisdom.

    #305878
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    Minyan Man wrote:

    What a wonderful gift. Empathy. I love it.

    sdj welcome to the group.

    I wish the brethren and TBMs would realize this would be the best approach to those questioning. I just needed someone to say “I understand”. When the response was “This is from Satan” it made the Church seem so cultish (I don’t think that is a word 🙂 ). I imagined one of Warren Jeffs young soon to be brides questioning the FLDS faith and being told “Those feelings are from Satan”.

    #305879
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    sdj wrote:

    I feel non-judgmental about everyone I come into contact with. I am open to opposing ideas and perspectives and the possibility that mine can change. I feel more genuine in my desire to help others and the love I have for my wife and kids. I feel less guilt and shame in my life. I don’t worry about what is out of my control and focus on what I can control.


    Thank you for posting your story, and welcome to the group.

    I truly believe this is why God allows us to go on these journeys…we learn things that perhaps would be difficult any other way. Your compassion and perspective qualifies you to reach out to certain people now that you would not have previously been able to do. It is not easy, you have to filter how you hear things at church and in meetings to your perspective, but it can be done.

    I look forward to learning more from your posts. Thanks, and welcome!

    #305880
    Anonymous
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    Welcome sdj,

    I too have learned greater compassion for people that struggle or flounder at so many things. I used to think that they just weren’t applying themselves and needed to buck up and get to work.

    In a way my old self was innocent and naïve. That wasn’t a terrible thing in and of itself but there came a time when I had to shed that old self and become something new.

    Again welcome!

    #305881
    Anonymous
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    Welcome!

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    My wife’s brother is in a Stake Presidency nearby and she wanted me to talk to him. I was hesitant but decided that it would be ok. I knew from previous family gatherings that he was very thoughtful and open minded. When I told him that I had been experiencing some doubts his first reaction was “join the club”. He then said you would have to be crazy to not have these issues bother you. I immediately felt a burden lifted from me and saw a future for me in the Church. We then had a wonderful discussion on what the gospel means to him, all the positive aspects, and the need to separate the Gospel from the Church. He mentioned nothing of Satan deceiving me, that I was weak in my testimony, or that I was wrong in having these feelings.

    I had a similar experience with a local leader, it turned me around. This is what people need.

    Thanks for sharing!

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