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November 15, 2015 at 4:14 pm #210319
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GuestHas anyone else read these articles? They seem to be on the Utah-based news outlets reporting this. But I guess sometime yesterday 2000 members of the church showed up in Salt Lake to hand in their letters of church membership resignation. The kicker for me was that there were former LDS members who were also attorneys on hand to help disaffected members fill out paperwork to resign.
I guess putting that type of request on attorney letterhead me somehow speed up the process.
I’m kind of at a loss for words on this one. It’s one thing if a person wants to leave the church organization. Fine…
But to make some kind of demonstration for this. I’m not quite sure I understand.
Some people were handing out “apostate” buttons.
One interviewee told of a same sex couple who wanted their mass removed…no, they haven’t attended church in years.
No, they don’t want their child raised with LDS teachings.
So, the best use of their day was to show up and resign from an organization that they haven’t utilized in years?
Resigning is their choice. I support and respect their agency, but a demonstration?
November 15, 2015 at 7:45 pm #306126Anonymous
GuestI do NOT want to minimize this for any individual, but I am sure many, if not most, of the people involved already are inactive, left or non-Mormon. It still hurts, however, to see this fuel and to know there are sincere people for whom this is the final straw.
November 15, 2015 at 9:54 pm #306127Anonymous
GuestNot sure what to feel about this. On one hand, perhaps this is considered a sign of modern times, that there will be a divide between the traditional Mormon and the people who adopt attitudes that reflect mainstream values in society?
On another hand, I admire people who stand up when they feel there is unjustice. This is one way to do so.
At the same time, severing the their relationship is saddening…as are the policies that led to it.
November 15, 2015 at 10:17 pm #306128Anonymous
GuestI also do not want to minimize a tough choice by many of those who have resigned but most of those folks were already on the edge and this was just the last bit of weight that tipped the scales in the wrong direction for them. I have come to believe you can either feed your testimony and watch it grow or you can feed your doubts and they will grow. It is all a choice , I can say this because i have been there good advice would be to doubt your doubts until you reach a place in faith that you can feed your testimony. My heart goes out to those who have made that difficult choice and ask them to please reconsider and come back to the joy you once knew. As members we must try to welcome them back with open arms and hold nothing against them . November 15, 2015 at 11:05 pm #306129Anonymous
GuestIt seems to me it is almost a cathartic display, a way to mourn. Separations were likely already there. I can understand their feelings that they don’t like the policy. But why demostrate? It is a way to do something to make one feel better.
It even helps feel connected to others and not feel like the problem is the internal feelings, if others also feel the same way.
I think it is a way to move forward and heal for some who made up their mind where they stand.
November 16, 2015 at 12:32 am #306130Anonymous
GuestPerhaps they think their demonstration will effect change? Small things do accumulate over time to create awareness and help leaders see the consequences of their actions. If there are objectionable policies, and no one objects, it paves the way for more objectionable policies… November 16, 2015 at 1:18 am #306131Anonymous
GuestI think for some it’s important to feel like those around them support their actions. I know for sure that’s how many feel within the church, but likewise if they are striking out and leaving, particularly if their families disagree. Personally, I think all approval seeking is cautioned against by Jesus. If others approve of your actions, you have your reward. But in any case, I for one feel it’s a loss to us all to be told to embrace such a divisive policy.
November 16, 2015 at 3:08 pm #306132Anonymous
GuestAll of us… all… have a very human desire to be understood… especially when we make big moves. When I wrote my letter to the SP which I haven’t sent, I explained myself. People who choose to resign in a demonstration are just tapping into that desire. By doing it with a large group, they are getting immediate validation, and their loss “means something”. I guess from that standpoint, I understand. The downside to resigning as a form of protest is that the person’s ability to protest is lost the instant they turn in their letter. It’s sort of a funny irony. I understand why people have chosen to resign in this way and I support their decision to do so. Under slightly different circumstances, I might do the same.
Having said that, I agree with what you say, QA.
The Church is a voluntary organization. If someone wants to join, that’s fine. If someone wants to stay, that’s fine, too. If someone wants to leave… also fine. Making a show of resigning from a voluntary association is certainly more powerful to the person than to the Church.
Years ago, I was a fan of pro baseball. I followed it. Cared. Cheered. Then came the strike of 1994. After that, I became disillusioned. I barely recognized what I had once loved. I came to believe that the magic of it all was not its actual purpose and that it was all about power and money. In short, I felt the same way about MLB that many feel about the Church. In the end, I simply walked away. There was no protest or search for validation. I just stopped participating. Many still love baseball, and I feel no ill toward them. Now, I love football.
November 16, 2015 at 4:41 pm #306133Anonymous
GuestI find it very irritating when church members dismiss these folks as “mostly inactive” or otherwise not worth saving. Do we believe in the gospel or not? Do we believe we have saving ordinances or not? The callousness is hard to watch. November 16, 2015 at 5:22 pm #306134Anonymous
GuestThis is a simplification but I think it will communicate my point. I believe that often for someone to hate something, they had to love it first. At some point these people loved the church and they feel strongly enough to formally leave and make a statement. To some extent we/the church failed them. November 16, 2015 at 5:37 pm #306135Anonymous
Guesthawkgrrrl wrote:If others approve of your actions, you have your reward.
I always factor in the benefits of actions into my decision making process. I believe it is just part of my wiring. I dislike feeding the missionaries – I tell my wife that I would rather invite a young family over for dinner. At least that way whatever friendship or goodwill might be generated will stick around rather than disappearing every few months. I recently accepted a calling to be scout leader for the 11 year old scouts. I find that to be one of the few callings that I can put down as community service on my annual work evaluation. I bare my testimony in F & T meetings for the similar reasons – it is my opportunity to make sure that my bishop and ward community know that I am there and am “one of them” to some extent.
The alternative of being rewarded in some unknown future is very hard for me to factor in.
Interestingly, this same cost benefit analysis is why I could never be part of an organized resignation. If I were to do that then too many people would write me off. I do not publicly resign precisely because I want to maintain the approval and goodwill of others, and I have my reward!!! Bwa -ha ha ha!!!
😈 November 16, 2015 at 9:37 pm #306136Anonymous
GuestRoadrunner wrote:This is a simplification but I think it will communicate my point. I believe that often for someone to hate something, they had to love it first. At some point these people loved the church and they feel strongly enough to formally leave and make a statement. To some extent we/the church failed them.
I have heard this more in reference to romantic love, but the quote I find true is something along the lines ofQuote:The opposite of love isn’t hate, it is indifference.
I think many of these people get stuck on the “hate” for something that they believed (and frustratingly others still believe). I hope they find resolution and peace and move on and try to be the best people that they can be.
November 16, 2015 at 9:58 pm #306137Anonymous
GuestI’m grateful for the people that resigned en masse. There, I said it. The fact that many people banded together to resign is what made this headline news. “Brother NoOneCares Privately Resigns” isn’t going to make the NYT, this event did and it got people talking.
The church really comes across in an unfavorable light with their recent policies, at least from the perspective of the world. The resignation event was another thing for the world to consume. Something that might give people pause before they paint all Mormons with the same brush. This event balances the equation, at least in part. I’d rather have a friend wondering where I stand rather than making assumptions based only on what leaders are saying. Maybe there’s a still small voice now thinking, “I wonder if nibbler agrees or disagrees with the policy.” It starts a discussion and creates space for people.
Time will tell whether same sex marriage finally gets a seat at the table. If SSM does eventually get a seat at the table will people look back on the resignation event similar to how some people now give indirect credit to OW for helping to usher in an age where the general women’s session is an official session of general conference, women can offer prayers during general conference, women are included in some of the good ol’ boy committees, etc.?
Once upon a time I understand that people boycotted BYU athletic competitions because of the priesthood ban. Do we frown on those actions now or do we say “thank god they helped cut that stone out of the mountain, it needed to be uprooted.”
Maybe people need to band together because they feel bullied by a larger, more powerful group. The exact same rhetoric I hear in church, we’re awesome because we are standing up to the world, could be applied to these people. They are standing up to their world (church) and it takes every bit of the same amount of courage to be a minority in the church. The church and the world really aren’t as different as they would like to believe.
If the resignation event isn’t kosher what is the agitation that will drive further light and knowledge? Thousands resigning is neither inherently good nor inherently bad. It happened, it left it’s impression in the world, and change isn’t always a bad thing.
November 16, 2015 at 10:17 pm #306138Anonymous
GuestLookingHard wrote:Quote:The opposite of love isn’t hate, it is indifference.
I think many of these people get stuck on the “hate” for something that they believed (and frustratingly others still believe). I hope they find resolution and peace and move on and try to be the best people that they can be.
I was thinking the same thing, LH. Indifference is the opposite. I think the demonstration helps them move forward.nibbler wrote:The resignation event was another thing for the world to consume. Something that might give people pause before they paint all Mormons with the same brush. This event balances the equation, at least in part.
I’m not sure I agree, nibbler. By some people seeing the resignation, they may assume those that didn’t join the movement are fully on-board with the policy. Which isn’t true. But the news shows only those that speak up.
November 16, 2015 at 10:35 pm #306139Anonymous
GuestMaybe so. I’m coming from a place where someone might
askme where I stand now that they’ve seen people taking action, people that wouldn’t necessarily follow how active I am at church. I mean, they have to find out whether I resigned somehow. -
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