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January 10, 2016 at 9:18 pm #210463
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GuestI just finished reading “The Polygamous Wives Writing Club” by Paula Kelly Harline. It was an interesting read. I was expecting to read a bit more of the direct words out of the journals of polygamous wives, but the book was a little different. It does have a good reference sources at the end, but not really any more direct quotes.
Harline says was an attempt to find a bit more “run of the mill” polygamous wives writings – before the manifesto started the backing out of the practice. It also wasn’t prominent leaders like BY’s wives. More of an attempt for how the more “average” Mormon polygamous wife felt about the practice during the time.
The book focused on a few dozen women that kept journals and groups them into somewhat “like” sets of situations. And like I mentioned, Harline does quote from the diaries, but usually only partial sentences when the exact words are important. I do feel Harline does a good job not trying to vilify polygamy and she does not try and make a case for it either, but she does well to try and just try and understand what it was like and how the women in polygamy viewed it. She dives into a bit more of do most of the wives live in the same house or not and what relationships do the wives have (hint – not all are like the ones you see on “Sister Wives”).
I don’t want to spoil the book, but I will give you a few thoughts I got from it.
- – It was interesting to note that BY voiced possibly stopping polygamous marriages as it seemed to be getting out of control. I didn’t think it was for quite a bit longer before any thoughts like that were surfacing at the top leadership.
– It became trendy for some women to marry “not so great of men” so that they would be fairly sure that they wouldn’t be asked to be in a polygamous relationship in the future.
– I know Utah and the west were hard places to live, but I was struck at just how much many (most?) of these women lived in poverty. It is heartbreaking to hear some of the details.
– It was interesting that the women often decided to try and not even feel for their husbands but instead live for their children’s success.
As I said, Harline was not trying to sugar coat nor paint polygamy as the most evil thing there ever was. The only story that really hit me was of a teenage girl that on the way back from the temple and being married to her much much older step-dad she realizes that has just been married. She didn’t even get that from the ceremony and just said “yes” when she was told to say “yes”. She argued that she didn’t just get married. Not to spoil the story – things get a BIT better for her over time.
When recapping the topic at the end Harline mentions how MANY (most?) older women tell her that they think they will have to practice this after they die and they think it is all going to be OK. She then mentions, “Conversely, in the blogosphere, some young women express angst over whether polygamy will be in force in the afterlife.” I would agree that I don’t see the younger generation being able to “tolerate” what appears to them to be misogyny. I feel that the current generation would feel that gay marriage is more acceptable than polygamy – by a long shot.
So I give it probably 3.5 stars, maybe 4 if I wasn’t expecting more direct quotes. A good 200 page read.
I am now turning to listening to the entire “year of polygamy” series. I listened to about the last 3rd of them.
January 11, 2016 at 7:20 am #307845Anonymous
GuestLookingHard wrote:-It was interesting to note that BY voiced possibly stopping polygamous marriages as it seemed to be getting out of control. I didn’t think it was for quite a bit longer before any thoughts like that were surfacing at the top leadership.
– It became trendy for some women to marry “not so great of men” so that they would be fairly sure that they wouldn’t be asked to be in a polygamous relationship in the future.
– I know Utah and the west were hard places to live, but I was struck at just how much many (most?) of these women lived in poverty. It is heartbreaking to hear some of the details.
– It was interesting that the women often decided to try and not even feel for their husbands but instead live for their children’s success.
Don’t want to make you go back an rehash, but just curious what BY’s thinking was, what he was responding to.
I was really struck by Brian Hales’ comment somewhere that he doesn’t read many journals because they’re too sad. I have to admit that I haven’t done so, either, because I imagine they would make me terribly angry.
Thanks for the review. I’ll be interested to hear what you think about the early parts of Year of Polygamy.
January 11, 2016 at 11:44 pm #307846Anonymous
GuestAnn wrote:LookingHard wrote:-It was interesting to note that BY voiced possibly stopping polygamous marriages as it seemed to be getting out of control. I didn’t think it was for quite a bit longer before any thoughts like that were surfacing at the top leadership.
– It became trendy for some women to marry “not so great of men” so that they would be fairly sure that they wouldn’t be asked to be in a polygamous relationship in the future.
– I know Utah and the west were hard places to live, but I was struck at just how much many (most?) of these women lived in poverty. It is heartbreaking to hear some of the details.
– It was interesting that the women often decided to try and not even feel for their husbands but instead live for their children’s success.
Don’t want to make you go back an rehash, but just curious what BY’s thinking was, what he was responding to.
I was really struck by Brian Hales’ comment somewhere that he doesn’t read many journals because they’re too sad. I have to admit that I haven’t done so, either, because I imagine they would make me terribly angry.
Thanks for the review. I’ll be interested to hear what you think about the early parts of Year of Polygamy.
Here is what Harline said about BY
Quote:But during the 1860’s and 1870’s, some of his wives and their children moved out of the Beehive and Lion Houses. His first wife and other wives with large families, and some with small families, preferred moving to their own homes. Young’s daughter Susa later wrote that her father regretted the way he set up his family and allowed his wives to leave if they wanted “to correct what he esteemed to be a mistake of his early judgement,” Although he didn’t doubt that polygamy was a commandment of God, he learned that it could create “considerable disharmony and financial strain,” and, in his case, was “only a mixed success.”
Outside of his family life, Young conducted Church business and received letters that disturbed him. He tried to encourage his people, but he became somewhat disillusioned with polygamy as early as 1858 when too many marriages that Church leaders had encouraged during the mid-1850s Mormon Reformation ended in divorce. At a December 1858 private meeting, he said that he “did not feel disposed to do any sealings [for plural marriages]’ after receiving a large number of requests for plural divorces.” suggesting that he “at least considered the possibility of suspending the practice for a period of time.” During the Mormon Reformation, Young wrote, “President James Snow of Provo cautioning him that he should discourage such aggressive promotion of plural marriage, ” presumably because zeal for the practice had hardly left a woman or a girl over age sixteen unmarried.
January 12, 2016 at 7:06 pm #307847Anonymous
GuestInteresting. I have trouble going to the record because I end up even more perplexed: Whydon’t we want to separate ourselves from this??? (Cue broken record.) Build that firewall. Assure our girls that this will not happen again. Address the problems flowing from 132. Saying six thousand times, “God’s standard is monogamy
unless…” doesn’t do that. imo
- – It was interesting to note that BY voiced possibly stopping polygamous marriages as it seemed to be getting out of control. I didn’t think it was for quite a bit longer before any thoughts like that were surfacing at the top leadership.
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