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  • #210524
    Always Thinking
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    How long did it take you to get past the anger phase of your faith crisis? Or does it seems to come and go? How do you deal with the anger? This is the stage I am currently in so I could use some insight

    #308734
    Anonymous
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    AT,

    I think it’s different for everyone, but I can offer some thoughts about what has helped me.

    – Recognize that anger and the search for blame are closely related. Take, for example, the weather. If it rains on your picnic are you angry or bummed? The two emotions are very different. Usually, we’d be more bummed than angry. Now, imagine that someone throws water balloons at you while you are having a picnic. I’d guess we’d all be more angry, than merely bummed. I’ve learned to see the Church more like rain than water balloons, if that makes any sense to you. Letting go of the need to blame someone is a good step to take.

    – Find a way to compartmentalize the faith that people have from what they believe in.

    – Look for new treasures along the new path. While I might like to go back to a time pre-faith-crisis, I sometimes have to acknowledge that there are many things I am open to now that I would never have found on the old path. At the same time, try to value the things you have experienced in the Church. There are many things for which I am grateful, both from my prior life and my present position in the Church. I’m also grateful for how I have been able to expand since by FC.

    – I’m saving the most important for last. Anger is not productive over the long haul. It is natural to feel anger in certain situations, and it can be a driver to do the right thing, but if it becomes THE driving force, it is destructive. With that in mind, accept that anger is an emotion that we allow in ourselves, it is not put there by anyone else. If it comes to us by us, it can be overcome by us.

    #308735
    Anonymous
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    It took me about 7 yrs. I complicated it by drinking alcohol. Anger & alcohol affected everything in my life negatively.

    It took another 12 yrs of going to AA meetings before I could even think about going back to church.

    It will happen again if I let it.

    I can easily justify anything I choose to do when I’m angry.

    It is a very interesting emotion.

    #308736
    Anonymous
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    I agree it’s different for everyone. It took me several years to be mostly over it but there are still triggers.

    The biggest difference for me is who/what I am angry with. I was angry with God but realized (after years and coming here) that that anger was misdirected and God had nothing to do with it. My anger then shifted to “the church” but I soon realized it had nothing to do with it either. The anger is really about things I had been taught or led to believe which are false – which means I either have to be angry with lots of people or let it go. I have tried to let it go.

    I also recognize that it’s not all actually anger, but much of it is hurt that manifests itself as anger. That’s the part where I still have triggers and twinges. Think of Kylo Ren and his light saber when he’s angry – very much the same.

    (FWIW, this is why I am the dark Jedi – the anger is the dark part.)

    #308737
    Anonymous
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    DarkJedi wrote:


    I also recognize that it’s not all actually anger, but much of it is hurt that manifests itself as anger.


    That is a great observation. I think you are right on.

    DarkJedi wrote:

    The biggest difference for me is who/what I am angry with. I was angry with God but realized (after years and coming here) that that anger was misdirected and God had nothing to do with it. My anger then shifted to “the church” but I soon realized it had nothing to do with it either.


    I used to have a friend, a Christian (and devout anti-Mormon). Sometime after my FC, I think this was about 17-ish years ago, he was killed in an accident. Of course, I attended the wonderful funeral. He was one of those people who had a lot of friends and the place was packed. His oldest child spoke. She was probably 16 then. I only remember one thing that was said from the entire funeral, and it came from her. She said that at first she was angry at God for taking her dad’s life. She did find a way past that… I don’t remember how, but that thought that she was angry at God was pretty jarring for me. I’m sure it stemmed from the “everything happens for a reason” doctrine common to a lot of evangelical Christians. What I couldn’t get over was how depressing it was to think of God reaching down from the glory of heaven to kill this wonderful person for some unclear reason. I was truly sorry that this teenager had to feel anger. It was just a terrible, freak, one-person accident. No one was to blame.

    Likewise, when we start trying to blame the Church, anger can and will percolate to the top, but in exactly the same way that I don’t believe that God struck my friend down, I also don’t believe the Church was the cause of my faith crisis… of my loss of sense of purpose… of my spiritual drift. It was just a terrible, freak, one-person incident: the realization that there is no God (from my perspective). No one was to blame. Everyone in the Church, from the top down to lower ranks, is to some degree in the same boat that I was in. I was a believer, so I can’t begrudge them for being believers.

    #308738
    Anonymous
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    I agree it is different for everyone, so maybe sharing what I felt is another angle to consider.

    I never really had an “angry” phase. There have been times I was angry…perhaps like Lt. Dan moments from Forest Gump…times I was just needing to vent in the moment. If it was a phase for me, I moved through it pretty quickly…perhaps less than a month. Probably not really longer than a week…since my personality doesn’t really tend to have me be an angry person. I’d rather be apathetic than angry.

    I was never mad at the church, or the leaders, or really at God. I was just more disappointed. I was going through the worst experiences of my life, and my family falling apart, and feeling very alone and not feeling like the promises I had faith in were being delivered to me. Upon further study, I could see I believed things that probably are unrealistic and untrue and I assumed they were and took them on face value. My bad. Won’t happen again.

    I believe God wanted me to to experience things so I could let go of the things I believed in…and walk away from them without disbelieving all things.

    Quote:

    “If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.” Rene Descartes

    I think the natural progression for people is:

    – Shock

    – Denial

    – Anger

    – Bargaining

    – Depression

    – Testing

    – Acceptance

    While different people take different times for these stages, you start working towards new transitions when you have hope there is a direction to head to. Some aren’t looking for “new” anything, but only looking back at what was lost…and I think are stuck in anger longer that way.

    By reading other books from Joseph Campbell and starting to see the cycle of the Hero’s Journey and seeing the patterns others go through (not just me and not just mormonism)…then I think it becomes less angry and more accepting that it is just the way it is…so…now it comes to a choice. You can’t really go back to the way it was before. You can go back to the place you were before, but with a new viewpoint and approach to the old place with the new outlook.

    There needs to be hope it can be OK again someday. When that light comes on…it actually starts to look like it can even be better than it was before things were lost.

    One thing I would never tell my friends is “Don’t be angry”. Being angry is just the way you feel. Don’t stifle it. Learn from it.

    #308739
    Anonymous
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    Moderation in all things, even anger. I see one of the benefits of anger as jarring a dormant or idle spirit into action. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, depending on what the anger prompts you to do. :thumbup: Like if your anger stirs the sleeping beast and prompts you to take a deeper look into what your believe.

    I can’t answer the question for how long it takes. Sometimes anger has to burn the entire forest, eat up all of its fuel, before the fire dies down. That might equate to allowing yourself to be angry until you reach the point where you realize that the anger isn’t productive. I don’t recommend that path but isn’t that when most people stop being angry? When we begin to realize for ourselves that anger isn’t doing anything for us.

    Maybe exercise. A punching bag.

    I’ve also heard it helps to write a big nasty letter, destroy it before anyone gets a chance to read it, then repeating the process over and over and over again until you get tired of hearing yourself repeat the same things.

    Take time to care for yourself. I know that when I was more orthodox church was right there at the top of my priority list. Mid faith crisis church still enjoyed a top spot on the priority list but in an entirely different way. Start putting yourself before the church. I view it as something else that needs to be learned as a part of the transition because it goes against something that can be rooted fairly deep in our orthodox selves. Once church is dethroned from the priority list you may find that there’s less to be angry about. It’s far easier to stage manage a mewing kitten than it is a grizzly bear.

    When it comes down to living an angry life and church, church is pretty insignificant… and if it’s not take another step back until it is. 🙂

    Good luck. Although it may ebb and flow there is an end to the acute anger phase, until then find ways that your anger can work for you… provided that’s a thing. :crazy:

    #308740
    Anonymous
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    It comes and goes. The feelings of betrayal run deep. In the worst of it I felt like I had been set up to look guilty by the one who actually committed the crime — and all my loved ones believed the guilty instead of me. I cannot think of a more effective seed of anger.

    I then learned something about forgiveness being the best revenge. The more I hold on to anger the more I lose.

    You have probably heard this quote:

    Quote:

    Holding onto anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.

    A cool head and loving approach is so much more effective, no matter our objective.

    Today I measure myself by my ability to forgive. I’m still striving and have a long way to go, don’t get me wrong, but what we focus on makes all the difference. The way I see it when I look for justice I’m sipping at the poison.

    #308741
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Always Thinking wrote:

    How long did it take you to get past the anger phase of your faith crisis? Or does it seems to come and go? How do you deal with the anger? This is the stage I am currently in so I could use some insight

    It comes and goes, but a few things that help me:

    I started looking farther in and farther out. The church is an institution with boundaries, rules, and customs, but my religion is deeper and more personal. I got a cross to remind me of that. If I ever end up out of the church, and I’m not aiming for that, I will still have my religion. The church is a self-perpetuating institution with a history connected to all preceding churches and scriptures. I started reading more widely to educate myself about that. Joseph Smith’s exact position in a galaxy of souls just isn’t important to me anymore, or at least no more important that any other soul’s position.

    I’ve stayed active in my ward.

    And (this took zero effort on my part 🙂 ), I got old and am reminded of my mortality with every doctor visit. Life is just way too short to waste.

    In “Crucible of Doubt” the Givenses talk about “finding your own watering holes,” seeking out subjects that interest you, people who inspire you, etc. Patrick Mason’s “Planted” and Thomas Wirthlin McConkie’s “Navigating Mormon Faith Crisis” are written to adults wanting to transition to a more grown-up faith. (I haven’t read “Planted” yet.)

    Good luck, and know that we all can identify with the down and stuck angry moments, too.

    #308742
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Fortunately, I have had to deal with seeing things differently than most people at church (nearly everyone at times) for all of my life, so anger never was a major problem for me. I also had to come to grips with believing even church leaders were wrong about some things as early as the first time I read the Book of Mormon and realized I thought what was written didn’t match what people believed about it – at the age of seven.

    What helped me the most in maintaining peace and perspective was a deep, abiding, unshakable belief that, by and large, those people were good, sincere, faithful people – whom I simply believed to be wrong about an expanding list of things relative to our shared religion.

    I know that will sound arrogant to many people, but it is what it is. I have learned to accept myself AND others with whom I disagree, even about things that are vitally important to me. That acceptance is the key reason why I don’t struggle with anger – except in specific situations where I see unreasonable abuse, rejection and alienation. Even then, the compassion I have striven to develop mitigates against extreme, lasting, bitter anger.

    #308743
    Anonymous
    Guest

    The anger comes and goes for me. AT one point, my wife and I would have bouts of anger — where one of us was angry but the other wasn’t. This went on a for a while. We still have moments of anger, but they seem to dull with time. I think each person is different.

    The best antidote for anger, for me, is similar to getting over a relationship — find a new set of things to fill the void left by the church. Now, with my life full of other things that bring me happiness, other than the church, when I feel angry I just reflect on how I have a much different life as a result, and a better one. Reflect on how your eyes are opened, and that you now see the truth — and then get on with maximizing the joy in your life from other sources.

    If your experience is like mine, over time the anger dulls, and your opinion of the church settles into your personality, and you are a different person than you were at the time the church made you angry.

    #308744
    Anonymous
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    I’m still right pissed off!

    😈

    No one could have been more TBM than I was….ubber orthodox. Grew up in the same stake as many of the GAs did,…smack dab in SLC. The whole area was orthodox. The level of anger I still wrestle with reflects the depth of TBM I was.

    !()!&*$)~*@$(~%*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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