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April 6, 2016 at 3:39 pm #210674
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GuestI’ve been reading these forums occasionally for the last few years, as I’ve struggled with my faith. I’ve been an active member of the church for my entire life, served a mission, etc. Recently, I’ve had a transformation of my faith. I wrote an article, roughly in the style of an Ensign article, of my journey. It’s a bit rambly, but a few days ago I realized I should post it here, where it might do some good. Some personal background, I recently got my PhD in mathematics and am currently a postdoc (temporary early-career professor) at UCSD. I grew up on the East Coast, went to BYU, served a mission, and went to grad school. I’m married, have two kids, with one on the way. The article should say the rest of what needs to be said. Here it is:
I spent many years training to receive my Ph.D. in Mathematics. As part of training, I learned to look closely at everything, take it apart, consider the underlying assumptions, and use those pieces to construct new, rigorous ideas. I also learned to pay particularly close attention to my doubts, as they very often led me to find mistakes in my reasoning that part of me knew were there, but that another part of me didn’t want to deal with. It was hard work, but I eventually succeeded.
This training, of course, spilled over into my religious life, where, in some ways, it was a blessing. Thinking deeply about gospel concepts, trying to understand God’s thoughts, how He works, and how it all fits together is a valuable exercise for everyone. My training allowed me to look deeper at the doctrines than I had been able to before. To me, the gospel fits together into a consistent, wonderful whole.
However, it also made me focus very deeply on my doubts. How could I not, when I had spent years discovering just how important it was to never ignore them? And the main doubt I had was the most basic one, and thus perhaps the very hardest. Does God even exist?
The argument against him is blazed around the world, particularly on the internet. “Why, if God loves us, is there so much evil, pain and suffering in the world?” Questions like that I knew the answers to, thanks to my gospel study. But others, I had no answers to. “How can we tell when answers are our own thoughts instead of inspiration?” and “If God sometimes answers yes and sometimes no, how is it not just chance and personal bias that makes us think He answers at all?” I became very good at explaining away any spiritual experience I had. It’s wasn’t that God couldn’t exist, but that it seemed impossible to be confident that He existed.
I have based my life around the gospel. It is a lot of who I am, but sometimes I felt I was living a lie. I felt like I was lying when I told my children that they were children of God, because I doubted He even existed. I saw that the Gospel brought people happiness, that it helped us improve our lives, but I found it difficult to accept the basic foundation of the faith.
I had always read my scriptures daily, but, in my desperation, I decided to greatly increase my scripture study and increase my time in daily prayer. After a month, I received my first answer. I was reading a fictional account of Sarah, Abraham’s wife. In this account, Abraham goes off to rescue his brother Lot from the army that attacked the city where Lot lived. Sarah (Sarai) is left at Abraham’s camp, to look after the rest of Abraham’s household. She is worried sick about her husband, attacking a much larger army.
She says, “And through it all, Sarai could not show her own fears and doubts, for she had to set an example of cheerful confidence and faith.
“Faith. She felt hypocritical, pretending to a confidence she did not feel. Of course, she could hear Abram’s voice in her head, saying that to give the appearance of confidence was an attribute of faith, for to behave as if you were certain when you had no certainty was to throw yourself into the hands of God, and encourage others to make the same leap.” (Sarah, Orson Scott Card)
I wept as I read that. That was something I could do. I knew that the gospel brings happiness, and so showing faith outwardly that I didn’t usually feel inwardly would help others, including my children, take that leap of faith.
This helped, but it did not resolve the underlying problem. How could I get faith? Why wouldn’t God give me faith, when I was trying my hardest to do all of the right things? But, of course, I was so good at explaining away experiences, that I couldn’t see how God could possibly make me feel something, give me an experience, that I could not doubt, as so many seem to say. How could that even be possible? There seems to always be a way to doubt.
One day, much later, I read Ether 12, for the dozenth time. However, this time, I finally understood Moroni’s description of faith. I realized I had been thinking about faith completely wrong. Moroni says that “faith is things which are hoped for and not seen; wherefore, dispute not because ye see not, for ye receive no witness until after the trial of your faith.”
For years, I had been waiting for God to force faith upon me. I had, subconsciously, thought that God giving faith was the only real kind of faith, that faith was given externally, instead of being chosen internally. But that is wrong. Faith is a hope, and a choice. We can have experiences that help us have hope, or perhaps show us that choosing faith is a good thing. But God cannot and does not force faith on anyone, any more than He forces us to obey. Faith, even the kind that never doubts, is in the end a choice, and only a choice. Faith is not an external experience, pushed forcefully in on us. True faith is simply a choice to believe that God is and that He loves us.
Witnesses can come, but they only come after we have chosen to believe. And we can choose to believe no matter what.
The decision to choose to believe, no matter what, was still difficult for me. But as I pondered the gospel and its many wonderful fruits over the next few weeks, I knew what I needed to do. One Sunday, during the scarament, I finally made the decision to believe in God, no matter what.
I hope that someday I will receive a sure witness, so that my faith can turn to knowledge. But I am also aware that this may not happen until after this life is over. I cannot force God to give me a witness, as I tried to do for too long. But I will believe in God, and that He loves us, forever. I know that this choice will bring happiness to me and to those around me. I am glad for my educational training, which has allowed me a much deeper understanding of the gospel, even though I had to go through doubt to get there.
That’s the article. Hopefully that was helpful for you. If you have any questions or comments, feel free to ask!
April 6, 2016 at 4:06 pm #310709Anonymous
GuestWelcome to the forum. I suppose from a certain point of view we are the same in our beliefs about God. I don’t normally phrase it as “I choose to believe” because I’m not sure I actually do choose to believe. I’m not sure there is a God, I hope there is. The only “evidence” I have is that I believe the universe and life itself did not just randomly begin – there must have been a creative force. The conclusion that I have come to is that this Creator is God. I’m not sure that can really be termed as choosing to believe in God, and beyond that I’m not sure what else I believe about God. And my conclusion could be totally off base. April 6, 2016 at 4:37 pm #310710Anonymous
GuestVery good post and I enjoyed reading your thoughts and how you came to where you are with faith. Great example! To me, faith is not hypocritical. It is bold enough to choose to believe, despite thinking through all the reasons you can “explain it away”, but choose to seek other views instead. It is Peter leaping out of the boat to walk on water, and when the miracle cannot be sustained or begins to fail a bit from what faith expectations there were and how you wanted it to be with good intentions…still crying out to the Lord to help, not simply complaining and wondering why you’re sinking. It is humble enough to recognize all the flaws and weaknesses and doubts of things that don’t make sense, yet bold enough to try to keep learning from it. It is courageous and honorable.
If faith is a choice, have you thought through why it is worth making that choice? I’d be interested to hear your reasons.
Thanks for joining our discussions and adding to the message board. I look forward to learning more from your posts.
April 6, 2016 at 5:53 pm #310711Anonymous
GuestThanks for sharing. I do have a question. You mentioned a few times that “the gospel bring happiness” and you having “faith in God”. When you say these, do you see them as the church or somewhat separate?
April 6, 2016 at 6:13 pm #310712Anonymous
GuestThank you for sharing your journey of faith with us. I too have had my faith in God shaken. Tragedy struck my family even though I had been doing all the church things. I was disillusioned because I had thought that I had done my part and now God was “bound” to bless my family with health and wellbeing. I was left questioning if I had failed at pleasing God and failed my family. In my anguish I felt strongly that God loved and accepted me and my family. Intellectually, I do not know if this answer came from my own psyche (as a self protection mechanism) or from God but I choose to believe that it came from God.
I choose to have hope in love, purpose, and meaning. My faith, however, is riddled with uncertainty and tinged with doubt. I choose to believe in a loving God but I am much less confidence in deciphering God’s will and I have very little belief in God intervening in human affairs in any regular, predictable, or formulaic way. As you stated in your article, “Why, if God loves us, is there so much evil, pain and suffering in the world?” My answer is something to do with God being constrained by eternal principles or laws. But if these laws constrain Him from protecting a child from horrific crimes then it stands to reason that they would constrain Him from helping find lost car keys as well.
Perhaps we fundamentally misunderstand God as someone/thing to protect us from the risk/uncertainty found in the world. Perhaps God wants us to live side by side with uncertainty. Perhaps our purpose is to come into a world filled with both beauty and ugliness and to see what we will make of it.
As for me, I am doing my best to choose love, purpose, and meaning for me and my family.
April 6, 2016 at 6:19 pm #310713Anonymous
GuestRoy wrote:Thank you for sharing your journey of faith with us.
I too have had my faith in God shaken. Tragedy struck my family even though I had been doing all the church things. I was disillusioned because I had thought that I had done my part and now God was “bound” to bless my family with health and wellbeing. I was left questioning if I had failed at pleasing God and failed my family. In my anguish I felt strongly that God loved and accepted me and my family. Intellectually, I do not know if this answer came from my own psyche (as a self protection mechanism) or from God but I choose to believe that it came from God.
I choose to have hope in love, purpose, and meaning. My faith, however, is riddled with uncertainty and tinged with doubt. I choose to believe in a loving God but I am much less confidence in deciphering God’s will and I have very little belief in God intervening in human affairs in any regular, predictable, or formulaic way. As you stated in your article, “Why, if God loves us, is there so much evil, pain and suffering in the world?” My answer is something to do with God being constrained by eternal principles or laws. But if these laws constrain Him from protecting a child from horrific crimes then it stands to reason that they would constrain Him from helping find lost car keys as well.
Perhaps we fundamentally misunderstand God as someone/thing to protect us from the risk/uncertainty found in the world. Perhaps God wants us to live side by side with uncertainty. Perhaps our purpose is to come into a world filled with both beauty and ugliness and to see what we will make of it.
As for me, I am doing my best to choose love, purpose, and meaning for me and my family.
Wow! Profound, Roy.
April 6, 2016 at 6:30 pm #310714Anonymous
GuestDarkJedi wrote:I don’t normally phrase it as “I choose to believe” because I’m not sure I actually do choose to believe.
I get this DJ. I stated in another thread that after years of marriage I discovered that my wife believes God to be a polygamist and does not really believe that he values her very much. I believe it would be a mistake to say that my wife is simply “choosing” to believe this. This is tied up in her upbringing, the historical teachings of the church, and her struggling sense of self worth – all of these are things that she does not actively choose. Even as I choose to give faith in God the benefit of the doubt, the factors that made me who I am and influence my inclination and even ability to choose the side of faith largely have been outside of my control.DarkJedi wrote:I’m not sure there is a God, I hope there is. The only “evidence” I have is that I believe the universe and life itself did not just randomly begin – there must have been a creative force. The conclusion that I have come to is that this Creator is God. I’m not sure that can really be termed as choosing to believe in God, and beyond that I’m not sure what else I believe about God. And my conclusion could be totally off base.
My feelings are very similar to yours. When I say that I “choose” to believe in God I am saying that I recognize that there are other equally plausible (or possibly even more plausible) explanations for things and yet I “choose” to frame my worldview (and present it to others) with the assumption that there is a God. A worldview is sometimes called an assumptive reality. One of the assumptions in my reality is that God exists. I recognize it as an assumption that is not known 100% to be true and yet I build my worldview upon it anyway. That is a form of choosing.
April 7, 2016 at 1:59 am #310715Anonymous
GuestLookingHard wrote:Thanks for sharing.
I do have a question. You mentioned a few times that “the gospel bring happiness” and you having “faith in God”. When you say these, do you see them as the church or somewhat separate?
Heber13 wrote:If faith is a choice, have you thought through why it is worth making that choice? I’d be interested to hear your reasons.
The happiness is an important reason. In my experience, living the gospel brings happiness. It encourages people to be the best they can be, and incredibly kind and caring. It helps people see all other people as their brothers.
Of course, the gospel bringing happiness (and relatedly, having faith in God) are not found only in the church. Whenever anyone follows the same principles, it will bless their lives. They may just not know why. However, I think the doctrine and even the institution (even with all its flaws) is a great tool to help people strive to live up to these ideals. Being surrounded by people also trying to become better is helpful.
That said, I wish people in the church felt more open about sharing their weaknesses. Having attended addiction recovery meetings at the church, meeting other people working on the same issues you are is so encouraging. My wife tells me that whenever she hears of someone she respects having doubts, she feels encouraged.
Roy wrote:Intellectually, I do not know if this answer came from my own psyche (as a self protection mechanism) or from God but I choose to believe that it came from God.
This is the main problem I kept on having with spiritual experiences. I can always come up with a good explanation for things, if nothing else that my subconscious mind is better at figuring somethings out than my conscious brain. In the end, I needed to make a decision which I was going to believe; are what seem like spiritual experiences my own thoughts, or are they from God (at least, by default)? For the reasons I mentioned above, and others (hey, my whole family
isLDS after all, and it would be awkward to be the first one to leave…) I decided to choose faith that they were from God. For me personally, in my head, it was important to make a choice once and for all, rather than reevaluating each time I felt the Spirit. So I made that choice. As a bit of an update (I originally wrote this article a month ago or so), a couple of weeks ago, I was praying for guidance. The whole “what lack I yet?” thing that they talked about last conference, and in my ward for months inbetween. Anyway, for the first time in a
longtime, I really felt like my prayers were communicating with God. It made me tear up. The next day (Sunday), I bore my testimony, and was just so filled with Spirit it was wonderful. It’s of course gone back down, but it was so nice to have that kind of experience. I wonder if God had to wait for me to believe that it was from Him before He was willing to give me such an experience. April 7, 2016 at 2:38 am #310716Anonymous
GuestFirst of all, welcome to the Group. You gave a very interesting Intro. Jdilts, you said:
Quote:…, I wish people in the church felt more open about sharing their weaknesses. Having attended addiction recovery meetings at the church, meeting other people working on the same issues you are is so encouraging. My wife tells me that whenever she hears of someone she respects having doubts, she feels encouraged.
I agree completely with what you said. Within a small, closed support group where participants feel safe is one thing. Unfortunately, to the general membership where we like to discuss others short comings, it is very difficult. I go to AA meetings on a regular basis. The atmosphere is very supportive & we respect the privacy of everyone who attends. I go to meetings in other states too. This principle is true wherever I go. That is why, I believe, this organization is as successful as it is.
Every once & awhile, the GD class will discuss Job, his life & example. The emphasis is always how we should be striving for
perfection. It drives me into a real frenzy. I would rather talk about the person who falls, picks themselves up & makes progress
to a predetermined goal (& maybe falls again). We will never be perfect in this life. Never ever.
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