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May 15, 2016 at 3:23 am #210744
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GuestQuote:Maybe life isn’t about avoiding the bruises. Maybe it’s about collecting the scars to prove we showed up.
I came across the quote above today and immediately thought of the temple. Overall, I can say I enjoy serving in the temple, but I recognize that there are bruises and scars for many who attend.
My favorite aspect of the endowment is that you don’t have to say or do anything from memory. You don’t have to “learn” a thing. Even if you forget everything completely, there always is someone to help you complete the play and enter the presence of the Lord. If you start and stay, you win.
I admire those who collect scars and continue to show up, whether that is in the temple or any other aspect of life. I admire them more than they generally know, and I want to say that clearly and directly to so many of you who participate here.
God bless you for your collection of scars.
May 15, 2016 at 6:24 am #311752Anonymous
GuestKind of like the Man in the Arena idea. Nice. Thanks. May 15, 2016 at 1:30 pm #311753Anonymous
GuestRay, I’ve never thought about the temple that way before. I like it. The quote you gave, is that yours or someone else?
May 15, 2016 at 2:52 pm #311754Anonymous
GuestOld-Timer wrote:If you start and stay, you win.
Thanks, I need the reminder, and also have someone to pass it on to today.May 15, 2016 at 5:21 pm #311755Anonymous
GuestThe quote is one my wife shared with me – that she saw on Facebook. It was non-attributed, so I have no idea who said it originally. Just to be clear, at heart, this isn’t primarily about the temple; rather, it is about life, generally. I wanted to share the insight about the endowment in this context, but the point I wanted to make is far broader than that more narrow example.
I just know most people here are bruised and scarred in some way, and I wanted to tell each of you how much I admire you.
May 15, 2016 at 7:02 pm #311756Anonymous
GuestQuote:I just know most people here are bruised and scarred in some way, and I wanted to tell each of you how much I admire you.
This is why everyone here is so valuable to me as I continue to show up with the hope that it will get easier with time, because it isn’t easy for you either.
Thank you for posting this Ray.
May 16, 2016 at 6:04 pm #311757Anonymous
GuestBut you should only get the bruise from a specific place once. Then you should learn from your mistakes and not get them again. If you know that something is going to bruise you, because you’ve learned from past episodes, then you don’t do that thing again. The scars you have will show that you are willing to put yourself out there and try something new and maybe get hurt. I don’t believe the original quote is to have somebody go back to the original harm over and over again to get more scars. But Ray, I understand what you are trying to do, and maybe getting scars in the temple is worth it.
May 16, 2016 at 7:53 pm #311758Anonymous
GuestSheldon – I get your point and I do think in certain instances it’s best to stop doing something causing harm. I also know that some rewards require multiple attempts and bruises. Athletes have that experience, as well as chefs. Even kids learning to ride a bike or skating get to choose if they want to keep trying and get banged up or not.
I think it is a personal choice and based on personal objectives.
I also know people who don’t find the temple or church bruising, or less bruising than most of us on the board. I have forgotten how that feels but I can’t deny them the bliss they experience.
May 16, 2016 at 8:34 pm #311759Anonymous
GuestSheldon wrote:I don’t believe the original quote is to have somebody go back to the original harm over and over again to get more scars.
Yes, I agree with that. If an individual is at a place where to go to church is to open old wound and deepen trauma then nobody here would fault them for no longer going to church. A gay individual is an easy example of this where they may find something that dismisses and dehumanizes their lived experience each and every week at church.
mom3 wrote:I also know that some rewards require multiple attempts and bruises. Athletes have that experience, as well as chefs. Even kids learning to ride a bike or skating get to choose if they want to keep trying and get banged up or not.
This is closer to my personal experience. I have “biffed it” in the past and I have the scars to prove it. I “got back onto the horse” but now I am more prepared. I now wear a helmet and other protective equipment. I make the horse travel at my own pace and pull back on the reins when it starts moving at a speed that I am uncomfortable with. I now know better where the pitfalls of the course are and I can choose to walk around them should I need to.
I might never be the same me of yesteryear that threw caution to the wind and let the wind rush through my hair. Now I am the overly cautious elderly man driving 20 MPH in a 45 zone with my blinker on the whole time. Yes, I have a few scars on me, and I am not anxious to get any new ones, but I am still here.
May 16, 2016 at 8:57 pm #311760Anonymous
GuestOld-Timer wrote:Maybe life isn’t about avoiding the bruises. Maybe it’s about collecting the scars to prove we showed up.
I don’t mean any disrespect by this, and I truly admire people who can attend the temple faithfully despite having been bruised by the experience. For me, the experience of attending the temple is more like this:
May 17, 2016 at 2:51 am #311761Anonymous
GuestAgain, I used the temple example to make a point about staying a course to the end, not specifically to say everyone or anyone needs to attend the temple. I understand completely that some things are so damaging that to continue doing them amounts to masochism – but we all continue to incur bruises and scars for things/people we love and value (like spouses, children, jobs, friends, etc.). Real life occurs between the extremes, and avoiding bruises and scars will result in a painless and mostly useless, valueless existence. For some people, leaving the Church of their spouse or family would cause others more pain than staying does to them, and avoiding the bruises of staying while knowingly inflicting worse bruises and scars is not a good thing.
Coping mechanisms (like Roy mentioned) can do a lot to lessen the impact of formerly hurtful things – and even things that continue to be somewhat painful.
I also will point out that things like faith crises can result in some people picking at scabs and not allowing them to heal – and even, in some cases, self cutting. Trying to avoid all bruising and scarring often has unintended consequences, so NOBODY should insist on anyone else doing what is best for the person doing the insisting – with some obvious exceptions at the extremes.
May 18, 2016 at 12:23 am #311762Anonymous
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May 18, 2016 at 5:14 am #311763Anonymous
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😆 May 18, 2016 at 3:25 pm #311764Anonymous
GuestWe all have different pain thresholds. Expecting happiness without bruises is too far an extreme.
Seeking out bruises is too far an extreme.
Middle ground is enjoying life while bruises come with the good stuff. Where that bruise vs reward balance is will be individual, some more, some less…but through experiences, we find our comfort zone. And sometimes we get courageous to challenge our comfort zones to check if the balance is right.
May 18, 2016 at 9:05 pm #311765Anonymous
GuestThere was a time, when I first joined the Church, where I believed that if I did my best in keeping the commandments, I was entitled to receive blessings, insight, spiritual support, answers to prayers, etc. I now believe that I was completely wrong.
This life was meant to be hard. (I’ve said this before in other posts.)
There will be times when we feel alone.
There will be times when we will be tested.
There will be times when the leadership (GA’s, Bishops, friends, etc) will not have the answers or even empathy.
So, what do we do next? I tried anger & that really didn’t work. It got worse.
The only answer I can come up with is: be patient. Over time things change for the better.
It’s the waiting that’s the hardest part.
I don’t avoid the bruises but I don’t look for them.
I won’t wear them as a badge of courage either.
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