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January 20, 2017 at 8:13 pm #210885
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Guesthttp://www.deseretnews.com/article/865671471/Complicated-but-not-hostile-LDS-Obama-relationship-draws-to-a-close.html ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865671471/Complicated-but-not-hostile-LDS-Obama-relationship-draws-to-a-close.html tl;dr
Readers Digest Version
Quote:For five months of the Obama administration, the highest-ranking Mormon in the White House was an unpaid intern.
Quote:Quote:So when LDS historian Greg Prince looked back this week on his daughter’s internship in the Obama White House, he thought it was an apt metaphor for a good part of the relationship between the LDS Church and President Barack Obama.
Quote:While Obama developed respect and an affinity for President Dieter F. Uchtdorfof the faith’s First Presidency and found common ground on some immigration issues, the past eight years featured ideological collisions between the Obama administration and church leaders on issues related to religious liberty and same-sex marriage. Quote:“If you look at each administration on its own merits, particularly over the past 35 years,” Prince said, “when the Republicans are in the White House, the Mormons prospered. When the Democrats were in the White House, the Mormons essentially were frozen out.”
Quote:Still, from 2009 to today, both sides made efforts.Quote:President Uchtdorf, second counselor in the First Presidency, attended Obama’s historic first inauguration in January 2009 with Elder M. Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.
Just Love the Silver Fox.
Quote:In fact, Hatch said that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act he sponsored in 1993 was a bulwark against liberal attacks over the past decade.
Don’t know what to think on this one?
Quote:Meanwhile, President Obama and President Uchtdorf engaged in dialogue.
It began indirectly in April 2011. A White House official met President Uchtdorf and heard him speak at a BYU Management Society meeting in Washington. The official was so favorably impressed that he began to work within the White House to arrange a meeting between the two men.
More Love.
Quote:President Uchtdorf’s first meeting with Obama was in March 2013, when 14 religious leaders met in the Roosevelt Room, where the president asked them to support his effort to streamline the legal immigration process. President Uchtdorf emerged to say the president’s outline for immigration reform matched Mormon values.
Quote:A year later, Obama invited President Uchtdorf to a White House prayer breakfast and a meeting of religious leaders in the Oval Office. Prince, the LDS historian, was at the breakfast. As Obama interacted with President Uchtdorf, “I saw deep affection between the two men that was reciprocal,” Prince said.
Quote:When Obama visited Salt Lake City in April 2015, he spent a portion of his brief time here with Mormon leaders, President Uchtdorf among them.
“I don’t think it’s an overstatement to say President Uchtdorf dazzled (Obama and his staff),” Prince said. “He became the best embodiment of Mormonism as far as the Obama administration.”
Quote:Prince said he is convinced two things have hurt the LDS Church’s relationship with the Obama administration. The first is a longer-term issue, caused when the Religious Right became a political force in the 1980s and began to demonize the Democratic Party at a time when Utah is among the reddest of states. Two, after Obama beat Romney in 2012, a study showed that Utah ranked fourth in the nation for producing the most racist tweets.
Those who make too much of the divide between the president and the church over gay marriage should do so cautiously, Mason said.
“I think we still don’t appreciate how quickly the culture changed around this issue,” he said. “I don’t think there’s any other rights issue in American history, and I’m not exaggerating here, where the culture changed so drastically so quickly.”
Mason said the whole country changed its mind about gay rights and gay marriage in the course of a generation.
I won’t quote the final section, but it is worth the read. I found the whole piece insightful and heartening since it is from the Deseret News.
January 20, 2017 at 10:50 pm #313600Anonymous
GuestI know you’re looking for feelgood stuff, I’ll try to be civil… but we’re mixing politics and religion here. It comes with the territory. :angel: Quote:Mike Leavitt served in George W. Bush’s Cabinet.
What, no mention of Bruce Jessen and Jay Bybee?
😈 I don’t know that I would read much into the ‘no Mormons except an unpaid intern’ angle. It’s not like the other presidents were surrounding themselves with Mormons. It looks more coincidental than purposeful.
Quote:“If you look at each administration on its own merits, particularly over the past 35 years,” Prince said, “when the Republicans are in the White House, the Mormons prospered. When the Democrats were in the White House, the Mormons essentially were frozen out.”
This is what put me over the edge enough to decide to post. What does “prosper” mean? Have political influence? The success rate at which church doctrines get codified into law?
I feel like this feeds the narrative that a good member will vote a certain way. You should know that I heard, on more than one occasion this year, that voting for a Democrat should be grounds for seizing someone’s TR. Yeah. Thankfully it didn’t come from people that were in a position to do it and I wonder whether someone would get a leadership calling after saying something like that in public… but I just don’t think it’s a good idea to plant this particular seed. Party 1: good for the church. Party 2: bad for the church. Religion and politics. Everyone’s favorite.
Quote:“We’ve been able to get President Obama and the Democrats in power to do a lot for the church in the past eight years,” he said. “Some of their approaches and philosophies have been threatening to our beliefs, especially in religious liberty. I have had to push back.”
I wish people were clearer in their communications. Which liberties? Be specific for once. Look, we get it. You hate the idea of gay marriage. But I don’t think letting gay people get married strips you of your religious liberty. At this point I have to make the assumption that “religious liberty” is what you say when you don’t want to come out and say “gay marriage” because they haven’t been very specific.
Quote:Still, Hatch said, “I’m not sure (President Obama) was as dedicated to religious liberty as I am.”
I guess the theocracy will have to wait a few more years.
:angel: It’s an innocent statement though. Is
anyonemore dedicated to religious freedom more than Hatch… .other than OaksI ain’t angry. I wrote my drivel with a smile on my face. I poke at things, it’s what I do.
:thumbup: January 20, 2017 at 11:49 pm #313601Anonymous
GuestQuote:I know you’re looking for feelgood stuff, I’ll try to be civil…
You succeeded in full measure. Thanks.
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