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August 7, 2016 at 9:32 pm #210908
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GuestAs a bit of background two weeks ago I was involved in a head-head-on collision where I fractured and dislocated my left kneecap. I’m fine but have been on crutches and in a leg brace. Well last week I go to church and one person talks to me. I go this week and 5 people talk to me. Not one of them the bishop or r.s. President asking if I needed help. So today I came home and wrote this rent to the bishop expressing my frustration. I haven’t exmailed it yet but probably will. “Dear Bishop,
I joined your ward several months ago and I am shocked and appalled by the complete lack of Christ- like love. In that time frame only a handful of people have come up to me and introduced themselves. How is a convert supposed to thrive in that kind of environment?
I have been ignored by members of the church my entire life. I was raised by a single mother which put me on the outside of a normal family. After coming home from my mission, I started to drift away from the church. Partly because of the total indifference by my fellow ward members, partly because some of the things that are taught I no longer agreed with. I continued to try though. Well I’m tired of trying and not fitting into the perfect mold.
Now you might say that I get out what I put in. As an introvert it is very difficult for me to go up to random strangers and make small talk. I can’t even express how difficult.
In the past few weeks I’ve gone to church and have been I obviously struggling yet not one person, including you or the r.s. President has come up to me and asked me if I need any help. My friends from different wards and family outside of the church have treated me with more kindness than you have.
I’m beyond frustrated with how I’ve been treated my whole life. I’m done I can’t continue in a community that does not support me. I would be happy to discuss my feelings with you, however if you aren’t, please remove my name from the church records.
Thank you,
Ruth Aswin”
August 7, 2016 at 9:56 pm #313829Anonymous
GuestI don’t know if you’re asking for advice, but you did post in the support section. Don’t send it. If you feel you must get some stuff off your chest make an appointment with the bishop and explain your feelings. Leave you doubts and accusations out of the equation, just tell him you feel your needs aren’t being met. Ask him who your home and visiting teachers are and let him know you need their support. My 2 cents worth. August 7, 2016 at 10:01 pm #313830Anonymous
GuestThat sounds like an awful experience. I’m sorry that all is happening. I know what it’s like to feel lonely at church even though there are literally hundreds of people there. It sucks. I am pretty confident that he will ask you to come and visit him in his office. If this is what you want, then your email could be productive. If he doesn’t try to talk to you, then he is a pretty lousy bishop.
I hope something good can come of this.
I’m glad to hear you are doing better after such an awful accident.
August 7, 2016 at 10:30 pm #313831Anonymous
GuestSome leaders really miss their opportunities to do good. Hopefully those 4 or 5 that did talk to you know what is up and can be your friends and support. If not…seems like it would be hard to keep going to that ward.
Sorry!
Let us know if the bishop responds at all.
August 7, 2016 at 11:36 pm #313832Anonymous
GuestHonestly, I wouldn’t send it. I can’t see any good coming from sending it, unless he is a wonderful, gentle, impossible to offend person – which might be the case. I would ask to talk with him in person. I think he and you both deserve the chance to have this disucssion in person.
August 8, 2016 at 1:33 am #313833Anonymous
GuestPersonally, I am a big believer in writing letters I will never send. I agree this should be one of them. I understand, in part, what you are going through. Some wards are absolutely wonderful, full of love, with everybody willing to help. Some are not. And some are simply full of introverted, Christ-like people who would help if only they knew what was going on. My current ward was one of the latter, plus had a ward council with terrible communication skills. As frustrating as it is, I hope you understand that your experience and your hurt isn’t coming from malice; only weakness.
August 8, 2016 at 1:38 am #313834Anonymous
GuestThis might be hard to imagine, but sometimes even the best bishops don’t know when people are sick or injured in their ward, even if it is serious, I can’t comment as much on RS presidents. I know a kind and generally in touch Bishop who didn’t know a member of his ward was in a serious car accident because nobody told him. In some wards it’s impossible for the bishop to meet with everybody who is sick. Just ask to see him (you can ask him or his secretary) and tell him your feelings were hurt that he didn’t seek you out. August 8, 2016 at 3:25 am #313835Anonymous
GuestThanks for the advice. I was super frustrated when I wrote it. I think I’m just tired of the whole church experience. For the record I went in on my crutches so there is no way they couldn’t have known I was hurt. I haven’t heard from ht or by since I moved into the ward. The last time I asked for help I asked for a simple food order. They wanted 13 hours of service, for one food order. Made me not want to ask in this situation.
August 8, 2016 at 4:29 am #313836Anonymous
GuestI agree with everything that’s been posted. My fear would be (after sending the letter) a bunch of people will come up & gush. I wouldn’t like that either. IMO the Bishop & RS Pres are administrative jobs in the church. The spiritual jobs are lead by the HT & VT.
August 8, 2016 at 12:19 pm #313837Anonymous
GuestI wouldn’t send it either. I would also consider removing your real name from the post above just so you have anonyminity in case someone searches on your name on the internet at large — for your own benefit. If you are comfortable with it there, fine, but it’s something I personally guard very closely. But the letter — it’s good to write out your feelings but not send the letter…. I agree with Minyan Man that people would start coming up to you, and it would feel insincere. I personally would feel it was obligatory and would come away from it all feeling hollow because they were only doing it because I complained.
As far as how to handle the situation — i empathize with the frustration one feels with the repetitive, endless experience of Mormonism. Many of us feel ‘on the outs”.
I realize my advice is only one person’s advice, but lately, I have settled into a pattern where I try not to need people for anything. They disappoint too often. I have instead found solace in keeping my thoughts peaceful, where possible. In keeping my surroundings neat and tidy, and in doing good to the extent I am able given my circumstances. Also, avoiding situations that provide me with angst and unhappiness. I spend most of my day doing things I like, although there is always administrative drudgery and problems to deal with (broken cars, unhappy family members now and then, messes). So, the sooner you can learn to feel at peace with yourself regardless of how the other people in the ward are behaving, the better.
But know that I understand how one wants to feel part of a community, to be loved, and even helped when things are not going well. By trying not to expect it, you become somewhat of a rock and an island and you carry your peace with you, not matter what happens (within reason).
I hope that helps…good luck with whatever you decide to do — but I would not send the letter, nor would I suggest name removal. Name removal only limits options and makes it harder to come back if you ever want to. And who knows what the future holds.
August 8, 2016 at 12:32 pm #313838Anonymous
GuestTataniaAvalon wrote:I haven’t heard from ht or by since I moved into the ward. The last time I asked for help I asked for a simple food order. They wanted 13 hours of service, for one food order. Made me not want to ask in this situation.
Having been in a situation where we needed church welfare assistance I learned there is no free lunch – even for those who have paid full tithing and fast offerings and faithfully served in high profile callings for many years. This may sound cynical, but it was my reality – the church (and some people within the church) never gives without the expectation of something in return (and that something is something that has not already happened). I think a good number of bishops subscribe to a “workfare” mentality, and honestly I don’t know what others are thinking as they demonstrate little compassion.
I’m not trying to belittle your situation or make excuses for the bishop or members, but crutches don’t necessarily indicate a major injury. From their point of view they may have been thinking “If she needed help she’d ask for it.” I know bishops are supposed to have the spirit of discernment, but truth is they’re just as human as the rest of us and they’re not mind readers. And I’m not a huge fan of the way home teaching works (although the concept is good). I’ve told my own HT not to bother coming every month, I don’t need a monthly visit with a canned message that I’ve already read and that if I need something I will call him. I recognize that others have different expectations of their HT. But having never been a great HT (by orthodox standards) it’s also what I expect of my home teachees – if you need something ask, even if you think it’s obvious.
August 8, 2016 at 12:40 pm #313839Anonymous
GuestDarkJedi wrote:TataniaAvalon wrote:I haven’t heard from ht or by since I moved into the ward. The last time I asked for help I asked for a simple food order. They wanted 13 hours of service, for one food order. Made me not want to ask in this situation.
Having been in a situation where we needed church welfare assistance I learned there is no free lunch – even for those who have paid full tithing and fast offerings and faithfully served in high profile callings for many years.
This may sound cynical, but it was my reality – the church (and some people within the church) never gives without the expectation of something in return (and that something is something that has not already happened). I think a good number of bishops subscribe to a “workfare” mentality, and honestly I don’t know what others are thinking as they demonstrate little compassion.I’m not trying to belittle your situation or make excuses for the bishop or members, but crutches don’t necessarily indicate a major injury. From their point of view they may have been thinking “If she needed help she’d ask for it.” I know bishops are supposed to have the spirit of discernment, but truth is they’re just as human as the rest of us and they’re not mind readers. And I’m not a huge fan of the way home teaching works (although the concept is good). I’ve told my own HT not to bother coming every month, I don’t need a monthly visit with a canned message that I’ve already read and that if I need something I will call him. I recognize that others have different expectations of their HT. But having never been a great HT (by orthodox standards) it’s also what I expect of my home teachees – if you need something ask, even if you think it’s obvious.
Yes – I am still haunted by a statement from an elderly gentleman who was unable to work. He asked me, in a needs analysis, “if you’ve paid your tithing all your life, is there a time when you don’t have to pay it anymore? If I didn’t pay tithing I would be able to meet my expenses”. It was sad, really, and it always stuck with me….
But back to you, try to de-emphasize the service role others might perform toward us. Recognize the fact that the church does not pay people to serve as Bp’s and RS presidents and often, they are completely overwhelmed. Some put in 35 hours a week on top of their full time jobs.
At the same time, I don’t want to be unempathetic to your own set of expectations — I had them too at one time. And I get it….but sadly, I found the church is not the place to realize my expectations of others. They disappoint too often, and that creates unhappiness and lack of inner peace.
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