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September 26, 2016 at 9:35 pm #211012
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GuestAfter reading so many variations on the theme of how members “learned it isn’t true” I wanted to share my perspective. I am approaching the 10 year anniversary of when my “shelf broke” it was a devastating experience of my personal house of faith burning to the ground, leaving nothing but ashes. In that moment I had no confidence that I could ever believe in God again. It didn’t take long however, for me to realize I could rebuild. I sorted through the ashes and found a few items that were not completely destroyed. I found a granite beam that I realized would become the central support for my new structure, it had demonstrated its indestructibility and capacity to bear the full weight. It is central to many teachings in our church, and is voiced in prominent quotes and scriptures. It is Love.
But what about God? Can I believe in an anthropomorphic figure/being that is fully “in control”? Maybe that question is simply biting off more than I can chew. Can I define God in any way that makes sense to me? “God” can be a loaded term, religions have established expectations that are enormous and so intricately detailed that they impose huge demands on the faith of followers. With time I started to hear critics differently. The simple “I can’t believe in God” became “I can’t accept your definition/expectations about God.” I wanted the question to change. I saw “Do you believe in God?” as utterly useless and a waste of breath. The productive question is “WHAT do you believe about God?” From that point I could determine what I did and did not believe. The Bible says “God is Love”, I know I believe in love, maybe that’s a start. I built on the declaration that whatever originated love and life would be God to me. I didn’t care if it made sense to anyone or not. It didn’t make any difference if I was talking about a being, a force, or something else that can’t be known. I wanted to find common ground with the believers around me while remaining true to myself, and this was my start.
That was the “breaking ground” of my reconstruction process.
With more time spent searching and observing I saw many members of the church that believe in ways I had never imagined before. Books and essays greatly expanded my views. I realized not everyone hangs onto the strictly literal meanings as I had. The diversity of ideas and belief in the church covers more territory than I ever would have guessed. “The church isn’t true” became an inaccurate statement for me. “The church isn’t what I thought it was” conveys the truth of my personal experience. My expectations were unrealistic, I held mortals to an impossible standard and of course they buckled under the pressure. I felt the impulse to immediately lay blame: “who taught me to believe like this?!” But with time saw the fruitlessness of finger pointing. The way to heal was to acknowledge my personal faith structure, it’s fatal flaws, and then rebuild turning the weaknesses into strengths.
Certainty became a burden. I heard Edward Kimball use those words “certainty is a burden to me” and immediately latched on. I see this life as a time to learn, when our minds are made up we have locked out any further knowledge. I had learned that the church could not bear the weight of my initial expectations, I must also allow for error in the other side of the coin: “The church isn’t true” poses a certainty that is too heavy to shoulder. It also makes broad assumptions on the definition of “true.”
I can hear the complaints in my head: “Now you’re just being wishy-washy, call a spade a spade! I understand the frustration and emotion of that complaint. I have been there. The reality is when we travel further down the road of life we can see the error of jumping from one paradigm of certainty to another. If we are open to the full range of truth that life can reveal we must acknowledge that everything comes from multiple ingredients. There is good and bad in everyone, pros and cons to everything. Any system of belief will have strengths and weaknesses. I hear an argument against “exclusive truth” but many that speak in behalf of the church will declare the church never claimed to have a corner on truth. Yes, I had an unsustainable image of the church in my head that failed, but today I don’t see “false” or “not true” as accurate statements. The church is what it is, my neighbor is who he is. I can look for and try to magnify the bad (and yes I do think we need to speak frankly in church about both the good and bad) in anything or anyone, but that action will mostly hurt me.
How do we move forward?
There are quotes from JS and BY that say as Mormons we are free to accept all truth, no matter the source. The terrifying thing about Mormonism is that with continuing revelation anything can change; but the wonderful thing about Mormonism is that anything can change! We are not locked into some ancient creeds, we can adapt to truths as they are revealed. This is what keeps me excited (and frustrated!) about the church. Even in the last several years I see signs of change. I hear more people in Sunday school talking about troubling elements of our history. The awareness of issues is growing. Books from the Givens’ and Patrick Mason and the work of others is becoming more widely known. We are being prepared to accept “greater truths.” I see a focus on Love building. I have hope.
I obviously don’t agree with every comment made in church, I would be surprised if anyone did. Thankfully my church teaches me I need to study it out in my own mind and listen to the spirit as I search for truth. This is what I do, and I am thankful to have a church family that will challenge me and test me every week. They will help me grow. They help me find my truth. This is why I am LDS.
September 26, 2016 at 10:14 pm #315033Anonymous
GuestThanks Orson. These thoughts are really good and very true. I feel many of the same threads and thoughts I have considered in my journey as well.
One very common theme:
Orson wrote:I found a granite beam that I realized would become the central support for my new structure… It is Love.
That is a good place to start. It almost can feel disingenuous at the start…like you’re trying to talk yourself into nuanced belief and redefining things to make it work…it can certainly look like that to others.
But in time, and with practice, it becomes real and honest and a good basis that starts to make all the gospel principles make sense again, just from a different angle. Even getting back to temple recommend questions with the new view can be very revealing. Being able to talk to others at church can become enlightening…even if at first there is hesitance that you are thinking about things differently then they are…and yet…not really.
Love, the Word, Christ…if we keep it at the center of all we do…can help fit the church pieces in around it, as the church tries imperfectly to carry it out in the real world.
There is hope.
Thanks for sharing your view. 10 yrs is a long time. Lots of effort. Lots of faith trials. I really admire you. I learn a lot from your posts.
September 26, 2016 at 10:36 pm #315034Anonymous
GuestBeautiful … and helpful.
When I had to write down what I was going to say to my wife coming out at my level of disbelief. One of the things I wanted to write was what I did believe in. It was hard not to state what I DIDN’T/no longer believed in. But after thinking about it for a while, I too came to Love. I have felt love stronger than any emotion – both giving and receiving. And from that it flows that what I need to be doing is showing that love and helping others in their pains.
I think I am still frustrated with the effort put into making the building that burned down. I can see the “beam of love”, but I can’t say I have started rebuilding. I don’t know if I have even applied for the building permit yet. But I know it is the next step.
Thanks for taking the time to write this out. This is a really great post.
As great as this community is, one thing that the phpBB software does not do well is capture the really important threads. I assume there are thousands of threads with a few gems in there. But there is no way to “vote” them to be really important (sorry to bring up “voting” at a time like this). It feels like more of a stream of conscience discussion among a few folks. That certainly has benefits, but for the person landing (or lurking) here, they don’t have a way to really determine where those gems are.
September 27, 2016 at 4:36 am #315035Anonymous
GuestThe minute I saw your name I knew I had to read this. You have been a mentor to me. I have read your posts and responses for most of that decade. The stage 5 development you have found gives me hope of finding mine, too. Thank you. September 27, 2016 at 5:32 am #315036Anonymous
GuestThis is beautiful, Oraon. Thank you. I needed badly to read it tonight – for completely non-religious, non-personal reasons.
September 27, 2016 at 12:51 pm #315037Anonymous
GuestThanks, Orson. We are very much alike in our rebuilding of faith, especially as it pertains to God and love, apparently. September 27, 2016 at 3:46 pm #315038Anonymous
GuestThanks to everyone for the very kind words. Our little support community has made all the difference. I don’t spend the time here that I used to but you all are always in my heart. It is important to have the ability to be open and relate to others as we share from the heart. LookingHard wrote:As great as this community is, one thing that the phpBB software does not do well is capture the really important threads. I assume there are thousands of threads with a few gems in there. But there is no way to “vote” them to be really important.
I am sure we all have looked for the “thumbs up” button many times. It would be nice to have.
mom3 wrote:The minute I saw your name I knew I had to read this. You have been a mentor to me. I have read your posts and responses for most of that decade. The stage 5 development you have found gives me hope of finding mine, too. Thank you.
Thanks mom3, it has been a journey hasn’t it? I think back to awkward & sometimes dark days on other boards. Your support and also from everyone else has meant everything.
We all have our frustrations. From the disaffected side mine often surfaces when I hear/see someone say “when I learned the church isn’t true.” I understand where they’re coming from, I just see those words as inadequate and misleading. If everyone could remember that we always speak from our own perspective, and our words are more personal than objective it wouldn’t be a problem. But too often the speaker and the hearer believe words like this are supposed to represent an objective or universal truth. In that situation they fail, because religion/spirituality is not experienced objectively or universally. Ironically I suppose the universal disappointment with humanity will lie on parallel lines – we are always wish our neighbor could see the bigger picture and gain a little more wisdom.
September 29, 2016 at 3:17 am #315039Anonymous
GuestThank you for this. Like others, I always look forward to your posts. The way you identify God with Love is an inspiration to me. I have tried to make that idea work for myself without success, but seeing how you have reconstructed your faith has been inspirational to me nonetheless. I really identify with this statement: Quote:The reality is when we travel further down the road of life we can see the error of jumping from one paradigm of certainty to another. If we are open to the full range of truth that life can reveal we must acknowledge that everything comes from multiple ingredients. There is good and bad in everyone, pros and cons to everything. Any system of belief will have strengths and weaknesses.
And this:
Quote:I can look for and try to magnify the bad (and yes I do think we need to speak frankly in church about both the good and bad) in anything or anyone, but that action will mostly hurt me.
I hear and recognize the bad things in the church, but mostly my response is “Huh. That’s bad. I’ll try to watch out for and minimize that in the future, if I can.”
September 29, 2016 at 3:48 pm #315040Anonymous
GuestQuote:It didn’t take long however, for me to realize I could rebuild. I sorted through the ashes and found a few items that were not completely destroyed.
I found a granite beam that I realized would become the central support for my new structure, it had demonstrated its indestructibility and capacity to bear the full weight.It is central to many teachings in our church, and is voiced in prominent quotes and scriptures. It is Love. Orson, thank you for the post. I love this image and remember the huge relief I felt when I realized that I still had something that could confidently bear the weight of
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