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September 27, 2016 at 5:52 pm #211014
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GuestI decided to create a new thread because this post became overlong. Here’s my attempt to transcribe some of Sister Carole M. Stephens’ talk:
Quote:I have recently become acquainted with a remarkable young woman named Josie. Josie suffers from bipolar disorder, here is just a little of her journey toward healing as she shared it with me, and I quote, “The worst of the darkness occurs in what my family and I have deemed ‘floor days.’ It begins with a sensory overload, and acute sensitivity and resistance to any type of sound, touch, or light. It is the apex of mental anguish.
There was one day in particular that I will never forget. It was early in the journey, making the experience especially frightening. I can remember sobbing, tears racing down my face as I gasped for air but even as such intense suffering paled in comparison to the pain that followed as I observed the panic overwhelm my mother, so desperate to help me. With my broken mind came her broken heart but little did we know that despite the deepening darkness we were just moments away from experiencing a mighty miracle.
As the long hour continued my mom whispered over and over and over again, ‘I would do anything to take this from you.’ Meanwhile the darkness intensified and when I was convinced that I could take no more, just then something marvelous occurred. A transcendent and wonderful power suddenly overtook my body, then with strength beyond my own I declared to my mom with great conviction seven life changing words in response to her repeated desire to bear my pain. I said, ‘You don’t have to, someone already has.’
From the dark abyss of debilitating mental illness, Josie summoned the strength to testify of Jesus Christ and of his atonement. She was not healed completely that day but she received the light of hope in a time of intense darkness and today, supported by a bedrock understanding of the doctrine of Christ and refreshed daily by the Savior’s living water, Josie continues on her journey toward healing and exercises unshakable faith in the master healer.
The next paragraph or two were worth including as well but I didn’t want to retype the entire talk, I had to cut it short somewhere.
I absolutely love that the story presents mental illness in a much more realistic way. The person with mental illness suffers as do their caretakers. It’s sad to note that in many cases the pain that a person that is suffering from mental illness feels is compounded by the hardships that the disease places on their loved ones. It seems as though there are only victims in the wake of mental illness.
Studies have shown that
suffer from serious mental illness in a given year and that aboutabout 1 in 25 adults experiences a seriously debilitating mental disorder at some point during their lifetime. That is just the people that experience the hardship directly, there are many more that are impacted indirectly. I don’t know the adult to youth ratio but if the average ward/branch is 500 members you’re looking at a large group of people.1 in 5 youthAnyway.
I’m encouraged that Josie was able to find relief I won’t take that away from her at all. I also like the fact that (in an unquoted portion of the talk) she became an activist of sorts by helping others with similar struggles. That said… you knew the that said was coming.
It seems like our best answer to life’s persistent problems is to say something similar to what Uchtdorf said later in the conference. To paraphrase: god hasn’t forsaken you, keep plugging away, tract that 4th floor, one day we’ll understand, one day it will all be made right, etc. I fell that in some ways we’ve reduced the atonement to a panacea, it’s the thing that will fix all of our ills, even if we have to wait until the afterlife. Is there a more hands on approach to the atonement? Something we can do for people now? Is the atonement something that passively happens to the people around us or do we become a part of it? Are we meant to get our hands dirty as well or is it more of a Jesus only thing?
The mother in the story laments, “I would do anything to take this from you.” I like the sentiment, it sounds like she is following in the footsteps of Jesus. Sometimes in dark moments of suffering I’ve felt like the Jesus of 2000 years ago is just as powerless and useless to me as the hoped for Jesus awaiting me in the afterlife. I needed a present day Jesus in my moments of sorrow. In the story… what of the mother? Simply by being there and saying “I would do anything to take this from you.” is not a neutered gesture that is devoid of all power. At the very least her pleas echoed the savior and brought the atonement back into the remembrance of her daughter. Even though considered relatively powerless when compared to god, the mother was Josie’s present day Jesus.
Is the atonement a rebranding of the phrase “god grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference?” In other words is the atonement something to help us accept the things we cannot change?
I hope I don’t step on toes but it’s time to get personal for a little while. I know a few families at church that have been impacted by mental illness. In one case the family has a child that has a severe mental illness. As if that was not enough of a challenge the family also faced constant judgment from their peers at church. It was the parent’s fault that their child was behaving poorly, the parents weren’t raising the child right, if the parents would be more righteous, do the things that are asked of us, the list went on and on. In this regard shouldering mental illness is not unlike experiencing a faith crisis. It’s not something that can be readily understood until experienced firsthand and once experienced you find yourself open to the judgment of others who do not understand. That poor family did not receive the help of a present day Jesus in their local ward.
I don’t like aspects of the teaching that things will be ironed out in the afterlife. I recognize the potential to help us let go of things over which we have no control but I think sometimes we use the teaching as an excuse to absolve ourselves from providing justice, mercy, and charity that we
canprovide in this life. I’m rambling and my thoughts are not organized but one last thing because it has to come out.
Reflecting on the atonement got Josie over the hump, it gave her hope. When it comes to mental illness, hope is so important and so hard to come by. Mental illness does not take a day off and in many cases does not go away. The hope of a better afterlife may comfort one day but the trials continue to mount over the course of an entire lifetime. The complete despair and loneliness felt by the Josies of the world, the complete despair and loneliness felt by the mothers of the Josies of the world, it can be like waves breaking on a shore that slowly erodes the beach away. The Jesus on the other side of the veil isn’t there for the dark moments suffered alone, he’s not there for the near constant trips to the ER, he’s not there for the fourth time someone loses their job in a month, he’s no there to answer the 2AM phone calls, he’s not there for families that wait in the ER in hopes that the suicide attempt will eventually be labeled “failed”, he’s not there for the anger and the frustrations that rob life of all hope, he’s not there… unless we are.
September 27, 2016 at 7:11 pm #315060Anonymous
GuestI am beyond happy that mental illness is being discussed more openly than ever before – and that the LDS Church does not actively stigmatize the use of prescription drugs to deal with them. My mother was schizophrenic, and nobody knew about it until after the birth of twins – her 3rd and 4th children. The worry of raising kids in “the big city” caused her first break, so my father moved us to the small, rural town where she was raised. He spent the next 25 years working as an elementary school janitor, doing manual labor labor here and there as a second job to support a wife and eight children. She coped admirably for the next almost 50 years due to my father shouldering EVERY responsibility both parents normally do. She took her “sleeping pills” (which kept her condition out of our awareness) and lived in her own wonderful, stress-free bubble – while my dad wore out his physical body, in poverty, to make sure she could live in that world.
I never heard him complain, in any way, not once. I never heard him say a single bad word about her or his situation. He literally laid down (put aside) his former life (of great promise, frankly) for his best friend.
Shortly before she passed away, she confided to my brother and sister-in-law that she remembered everything about her schizophrenic breaks (two in total) and was scared beyond words to have it happen again. They didn’t tell her, but they had started seeing small symptoms and were worried about exactly that. The hallucinations, the radical change in personality, the vicious dreams, the hellish battle in her mind: she remembered everything. She also said she could never express her deep gratitude and amazement at my father’s devotion to her through it all – for 50 years. Her greatest wish was to see him again and thank him for giving her a joyful life.
She died, completely unexpectedly, about a week later.
That, to me, is the Atonement in a nutshell: living in such a way that people’s weaknesses and shortcomings don’t matter – in such a way that, when all is said and done, one’s life helped others have peace and joy.
September 27, 2016 at 7:37 pm #315061Anonymous
GuestProfound post nibbler and Ray – me heart goes out to your wonderful dad. Amazing the love shown. September 27, 2016 at 10:47 pm #315062Anonymous
GuestFirst I think I went a little overboard with my Jesus isn’t there comments from before. What I was trying to say is that we’ve taken the name of Jesus upon ourselves and I feel that being there for someone, being there for them right nowcan be a better alternative to telling someone that one day in the distant future (or in the afterlife) things will be made right. We can be there for someone “doing unto one of the least of these” and filling the role of atoner for someone today. Curt,
Your father sounds like a true saint. I think we (mere mortals) exercise and apply the atonement in our interactions with others. Often when we face problems that do not seem to have a resolution a person can step up and “swallow” the injustice of a situation so that others do not have to bear the brunt of a bad situation. It sounds like your father did just that. He sacrificed of self to make life better for others. There’s not much better a person can do in this life than that. If you don’t mind I’d like to look at what your father did to explore a few more ideas. No disrespect intended, I’m looking for additional perspective.
Old Timer wrote:I never heard him complain, in any way, not once. I never heard him say a single bad word about her or his situation. He literally laid down (put aside) his former life (of great promise, frankly) for his best friend.
Again, no disrespect intended and to illustrate that let me start with a lead in. The other family I know whose lives were touched by mental illness was different than the first family I mentioned in the OP. In this case the father sacrificed for the family, kept a child’s illness out of the public eye, and quietly went about putting out the fires in an effort for everyone to lead a “normal” life (with normal in quotes because after all, what is normal?). The child with a mental illness had children of their own and they were abusive towards them. The grandchildren never knew because the illness was never discussed, they grew up thinking that the illness behaviors were normal behaviors. I suspect it was a generational thing, people just didn’t talk about mental illness from that generation, it was like a social black eye (and still is in many ways). The grandparent eventually died and it was left to the children to discover the illness and inherit the job of firemen all while learning how dysfunctional they were themselves. The sacrifice was noble but in other ways it was a curse. The grandchildren may have been more prepared had they known from the beginning. They could have understood that some of the things they were subjected to were not normal and there was a more charitable explanation for the abusive behaviors. They may have even been in a better position to protect themselves.
I’m not saying what I’m about to say is what you were trying to communicate but I question whether it is healthy in the long run for one person to shoulder all the weight. To be the stoic, silent sufferer that takes all the punishment in stride. I think it takes a community to help a person affected by mental illness and so far society as a whole appears to only know how to help people in the form of heroic efforts made by individuals, like your father. No one person can do it alone and if they try they may be creating more problems down the line. That and I believe that it is perfectly okay for people to complain and say bad things about their situation. It’s more healthy than keeping it bottled up and letting it out doesn’t make someone a lesser person. I should reiterate. I know you didn’t say that, I’m just saying what I’m feeling.
Another point, there are mental illnesses and there are mental illnesses. Many are spectrum disorders, meaning some people with the same illness can have it far “worse” than others (worse in quotes because it’s relative and it’s not a contest).
It’s a serious problem and I’d love for communal atonement to play a larger role in healing the people suffering from mental illness and healing the people in their periphery. I’ve seen unatoned mental illness devastate generations of people. I wish there was a better way for Christ to help these people… in
thislife. I’m truly sorry if I’ve offended anyone.
September 27, 2016 at 11:18 pm #315063Anonymous
GuestQuote:I am beyond happy that mental illness is being discussed more openly than ever before – and that the LDS Church does not actively stigmatize the use of prescription drugs to deal with them.
Me, too. We are still strong proponents of “clean living” and self-sufficiency, but since hardly any family is free of mental illness, and there actually are drugs that help, there’s much less tendency to blame the sufferers.September 28, 2016 at 1:47 am #315059Anonymous
GuestNo offense taken, nibbler. It is an important discussion. Absolutely, keeping mental illness a secret is a generational thing, although it still is an issue in too many places and societies. I do NOT support that kind of secrecy, and I didn’t mean to imply that. I have seen some of what you describe play out in my own extended family, and I am glad we now know about my mom’s condition and my dad’s sacrifices for her.
An odd statement, at first, perhaps, but I love the fact that Utah has a high rate of anti-depressant use. It shows that medications for things like depression are accepted and normalized more there than other places, but there still are open attacks on that use. I still read criticisms of Mormonism for that rate, but I look at the overall issues (high birth rates / post-partum depression, lower level of self-medication through alcohol, mountain-impacted climate, higher Western states rate generally, etc.) and am ecstatic such medication is available and common. I am glad the younger generations are more open about acknowledging and dealing directly with these issues.
I ought to add that my mom’s immediate family knew about her condition, especially since it was hereditary and not confined just to her among her siblings. My dad moved us to the town where she was raised specifically because she had a lot of family who still lived there and could help in case something happened. The kids didn’t know, but I am pretty sure one of her sisters (my aunt) also was schizophrenic, and one of her brothers (my uncle) was on and off of medication for years, living as a bachelor, college janitor, and eternal student, finally (I believe) committing suicide while off his meds. That would have been my mom’s end, I am sure, without my dad – and the irony of him finding employment doing the same thing my uncle did doesn’t escape me. (My dad turned down a management offer in SLC that would have paid him over twice what he ended up making as a janitor.)
My mom’s case was severe, in that her breaks came from worry and anxiety. I liken it to a computer cpu that won’t shut down and has to be manually overridden by holding down the power key. When she started to worry, her meds allowed her to sleep – to “shut down”, so to speak. She lived as long as she did (more than thirty years longer than the siblings I mentioned) in a state of relative normalcy specifically because my dad shielded her from anxiety and worry. She didn’t work; he handled the finances; he cooked the meals (partly because he was a good cook and she . . . wasn’t); he took care of all the discipline; she read and played the piano and taught piano lessons in our home and visited friends and, literally, lived in her own world. It was the only way she possibly could have been happy, so he did it.
I am not trying to imply that this model is best for everyone else – or even for many. It was what was necessary for my mom, but she really was an extreme case. My point simply is that doing whatever it takes to help people have peace and joy in their lives is a noble endeavor – and a key component of what I see as modeling the life Jesus of Nazareth actually lived and the concept of atonement.
September 28, 2016 at 2:17 am #315064Anonymous
GuestThanks for sharing and I’m glad your father was at a place where he could do that and that he made the sacrifice. He’s a stellar example. Another thing I failed to mention. I think talks like Sister Stephens’ is an important step on the path towards the communal atonement I was pining for in a previous post. It’s hard to mourn with those who mourn when there’s no awareness.
September 28, 2016 at 4:17 pm #315065Anonymous
GuestQuote:It’s hard to mourn with those who mourn when there’s no awareness.
Amen – and amen.
September 28, 2016 at 8:02 pm #315066Anonymous
GuestI need to add something important: My father’s situation was hard, but my mom diligently took her medication. That made his sacrifice possible, in a way, and lightened his load.
Others who care for or are impacted severely by people with serious issues have a harder time than my dad did if the other people in their lives won’t take medication and/or employ coping mechanisms to control or lessen the severity of their illnesses – or those who don’t realize they have a problem in the first place. Others who care for bedridden family members without the financial resources to hire help have a heavier load than my father’s, as do those who are judged and misunderstood by people around them. Long-term care can be crushing and joy-sucking in a way my father’s situation wasn’t – at least, not continually with no end in sight.
My father was an amazing man who lived a selfless life, but he is nowhere close to unique – or close to the best example, perhaps, of atoning service.
I just want to make it clear that I recognize that fact.
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