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February 9, 2017 at 4:35 am #211175
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GuestI have told my wife my level of dis-belief and a very select few other friends. Today I was able to meet up with my best friend from high school. He converted just after becoming a friend just before we started high school. We were real buds. We had a normal good “catch-up” talk. As we started to take the long walk back to our cars, he told me just how much he appreciated me sharing the gospel with him and that everything good in his life has come from this. I told him I was glad that he was happy and that the church worked so well for him and his family, but that I had to say I can’t consider myself a believer anymore. We talked for about another 5 minutes and I told him I wasn’t an angry ex-mo and I wasn’t much for wanting to go into the details. He did ask a few questions that were appropriate. He thanked me for being willing to share this with him and he said he knows it had to be hard for me to even say that to him. He said he would like to understand more. I told him I am willing, but if it is really working well for him now it might just be best to leave it be. When we actually parted he gave me about a 2 minute hug and said he loved me and was so glad I was a part of his life and he was grateful to have such a good friend. I was bawling by this time myself.
Oh if only it was this good and loving of a reaction from everyone when they came out to family/friends.
February 9, 2017 at 4:44 am #317100Anonymous
GuestLookingHard wrote:…He did ask a few questions that were appropriate. He thanked me for being willing to share this with him and he said he knows it had to be hard for me to even say that to him. He said he would like to understand more. I told him I am willing, but if it is really working well for him now it might just be best to leave it be. When we actually parted he gave me about a 2 minute hug and said he loved me and was so glad I was a part of his life and he was grateful to have such a good friend. I was balling by this time myself.
Oh if only it was this good and loving of a reaction from everyone when they came out to family/friends.
Now this is a Church Reactivation Program I could endorse. You & your friend did all the right things. Sensitive, understanding & empathy.
February 9, 2017 at 5:14 am #317101Anonymous
GuestMinyan Man wrote:LookingHard wrote:…He did ask a few questions that were appropriate. He thanked me for being willing to share this with him and he said he knows it had to be hard for me to even say that to him.
He said he would like to understand more.I told him I am willing, but if it is really working well for him now it might just be best to leave it be. When we actually parted he gave me about a 2 minute hug and said he loved me and was so glad I was a part of his life and he was grateful to have such a good friend. I was balling by this time myself. Oh if only it was this good and loving of a reaction from everyone when they came out to family/friends.
Now this is a Church Reactivation Program I could endorse. You & your friend did all the right things. Sensitive, understanding & empathy.
I agree. I find it hard to be optimistic. I want “the Church” to understand, but, of course, what I really mean is “church leaders,” and, failing that, what I’ll settle for is anyone at all. Even just one friend to talk honestly with face to face. I’m so happy you’ve found someone, LH.
February 9, 2017 at 7:50 pm #317102Anonymous
Guest“church leaders”, “the church”, “reactivation programs”….all those at the bigger level are one thing. Meaningful stuff happens one to one with friends and how we interact.
I’m glad you could share it. It is what it is…it’s nice to just put it out there and not have that overshadow a meaningful friendship.
February 9, 2017 at 9:42 pm #317103Anonymous
GuestThere is so much that is profound in this post. Thank you.
February 12, 2017 at 3:34 pm #317104Anonymous
GuestVery nice reaction. I have a friend who accepts me in my unorthodoxy like that. I have to be careful I don’t bash the church to him, there is so much trust in the relationship — I can say it. I had to set boundaries in that respect as I saw it was ticking him off. So, be mindful of the balance if you meet with them regularly. My friend and I rarely talk about the church anymore. I go to Ward parties with him, and church comes up in the context of conversation about our families. But I have learned not to say anything negative about the church as it upsets him. I am sure he tells his wife the things I say, though. Another reason I stopped doing it a few years ago. He is in a different country so that is why I have been willing to do away with my usual guardedness about sharing my contrarion ideas with people I know. Just some advice from my armchair of experience
You don’t want to hurt this special relationship over the longer term if you talk frequently with this person.
February 12, 2017 at 6:28 pm #317105Anonymous
GuestThanks. I already told him I don’t want to go into it with him but he is still asking to know more. I was already going to try to keep it high level and about how “I” feel. February 12, 2017 at 6:43 pm #317106Anonymous
GuestLookingHard wrote:Thanks. I already told him I don’t want to go into it with him but he is still asking to know more. I was already going to try to keep it high level and about how “I” feel.
Keeping it high level and making “I” statements seems to be the best plan IMO. The problem is you don’t know if he’s truly interested in being your friend and listening to your concerns without trying to “fix” you or if he is going to try to argue, offer apologetics and/or try to “fix.” From another point of view, he could be trying to feel you out and see what he can share with you because he has his own issues – you just don’t know. At some point if your discussions continue you’ll figure out where he’s coming from. I think it’s better to play it safe at first – but you already know that

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