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GuestAugust 10, 2017 at 8:25 pm #318706Anonymous
GuestI agree that this is a great article. There was a long (17 page) discussion on it a few years ago. http://forum.staylds.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6664&p=92583&hilit=naked+ipod#p92583 Give the article a read and we can discuss impressions.
August 10, 2017 at 8:52 pm #318707Anonymous
GuestYes, I now remember that from a few years ago. I thought it looked familiar. (I turned 60 this last month, so I have my excuse!) And it was written by Ray’s BIL. Well done!
So, since there are several new people on StayLDS, lets just say I reposted this to give it exposure to new people!
August 10, 2017 at 9:30 pm #318708Anonymous
GuestSheldon wrote:
Yes, I now remember that from a few years ago. I thought it looked familiar. (I turned 60 this last month, so I have my excuse!)And it was written by Ray’s BIL. Well done!
So, since there are several new people on StayLDS, lets just say I reposted this to give it exposure to new people!
It is one of the best. I actually replaced a HP lesson with this one and it was VERY well received. Lots of folks telling me it was really helpful.
August 10, 2017 at 9:39 pm #318709Anonymous
GuestSheldon – Thanks. Every improved conversation on this topic is a Godsend. Even repeats and reruns. Good stuff. August 10, 2017 at 10:19 pm #318710Anonymous
GuestSolid article. It’s really quite sad how prudish the church is- to the point where nobody feels comfortable talking about sexuality. This breeds unsatisfiable curiosity, which leads to the porn addictions. It focuses so much on the evils of pornography that the natural guilt is amplified into self-destructive shame. And in a lot of cases, admitting these things to others brings scorn and shame. They see you as damaged goods even if you’re diligently working to overcome the addiction or already have. Girls should not be using “never had a porn problem” or even “doesn’t have a porn problem” as a marriage criteria; I would bet that, more often than not, this attitude scares men into
neveradmitting it to their girlfriends/fiances/wives and hiding the problem instead of fixing it. And that alone is enough to prevent them from fully recovering. I think there is far too much focus on trying to take away the means of a pornography addiction, (computers on the main level, turning in phones at night, etc) while nothing is really done to avoid the environment that leads to it. The problem with these approaches is this: What happens once your kids are all on their own? Porn addictions don’t all start in the teenage years. If we’d just talk about sexuality, porn, masturbation, erotic novels, etc, you completely remove the ingredients required for the problem to fester: curiosity and shame.
This is why I want to be the kind of guy who gladly teaches the Law of Chastity lessons and uses all the “taboo” words and avoid dancing around the subject like so many church members do (There has never been a general conference talk that says “masturbation” and this bothers me.) I want to be a father who is willing to talk to my kids about pretty much anything related to sexuality, given the appropriate environment. I want my home to be one where even the neighbor kids feel comfortable asking me questions about sex.
EDIT: Some more thoughts
There need to be more talks about what you should do if you have an addiction to pornography. We need talks on what to do if a friend or family member admits having a porn problem. We have an overabundance of talks of how evil it is… So instead of focusing on the problem, let’s put some more time into the solution. Let’s try to make every church member a safe person to talk to about your porn problem.
August 11, 2017 at 3:29 am #318711Anonymous
GuestVery interesting and insightful piece. It underscores the need to see the human body as something normal and beautiful and not always associated with sexuality and porn. It also affirms my decision as a nudist/naturist to participate with my wife in chaste social nudity and brings some regret that it wasn’t part of our home when our children were growing up. Children that grow up in an open door, body positive home are far less likely to fall into the trap of pornography, IMHO. August 13, 2017 at 5:08 pm #318712Anonymous
GuestGBSmith wrote:
It underscores the need to see the human body as something normal and beautiful and not always associated with sexuality and porn
I really hope that people can be perceived as whole individuals and that their bodies can be neither objectified nor demonized.
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