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    In my grief I find myself obsessing over him. Fandom is killing me.

    https://www.sltrib.com/religion/local/2018/01/22/so-what-is-mormon-apostle-uchtdorf-doing-now-for-starters-he-is-overseeing-global-lds-missionary-efforts/” class=”bbcode_url”>https://www.sltrib.com/religion/local/2018/01/22/so-what-is-mormon-apostle-uchtdorf-doing-now-for-starters-he-is-overseeing-global-lds-missionary-efforts/

    I am mixed about this news. One half of me is screaming, “They sent him to Siberia”. The other is “Well at least he and Kearon get to work together. Maybe I should move to Europe? Maybe hunt them down and offer to serve side by side.” Clearly I am losing it.

    #326457
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    DFU probably just wants to get away from his more orthodox brethren. He can probably go months at a time without seeing them if he lives in Europe.

    #326458
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    I am with you Roadrunner. The man is probably joyfully packing and heading home.

    #326459
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    Wasn’t he one of the leaders behind the essays? If I’m remembering that right, it could be great that he’s in charge of correlation.

    #326460
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    When all’s said and done, youthwork is one of the best things they could have demoted him to.

    #326461
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    SamBee wrote:


    When all’s said and done, youthwork is one of the best things they could have demoted him to.

    Agreed. It is definitely where you can make a difference, regardless of church doctrines and creeds.

    #326462
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    I agree amount making the difference. The “head missionary” is a very high profile job, just vacated by Oaks. I see this as very good for Uchtdorf and us. And he’s the boss of correlation – another biggie. I couldn’t think of a better person for that job – very influential in what’s taught.

    FWIW, overseeing Europe doesn’t necessarily mean living there. Many of them have assignments to oversee areas (each area of the world has an apostle overseeing it), it’s just an apostle assignment.

    #326463
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    DarkJedi wrote:


    overseeing Europe doesn’t necessarily mean living there.

    Hi DJ,

    Yes, I agree – but if he wanted to live in Europe he could. Oaks lived in the Philippines with his wife from 2002 to 2004 when he oversaw that area.

    I’d be all “hey I want to preside over the South Pacific. You can find me correlating in Tahiti.”

    #326464
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    Roadrunner wrote:


    DarkJedi wrote:


    overseeing Europe doesn’t necessarily mean living there.

    Hi DJ,

    Yes, I agree – but if he wanted to live in Europe he could. Oaks lived in the Philippines with his wife from 2002 to 2004 when he oversaw that area.

    I’d be all “hey I want to preside over the South Pacific. You can find me correlating in Tahiti.”

    😆 I think the South Pacific area folks tend to live in Australia or New Zealand, which wouldn’t be bad either, especially considering that they travel to the other places frequently.

    As I recall, I think it was Nelson who lived in Chile for awhile when he oversaw that area and there was a huge concern about activity/retention there. That concern still exists. I think the only thing we’d have to worry about with DFU living is Europe is what they might do in his absence. Legend has it that some key apostles were on assignment overseas when the priesthood revelation came.

    #326465
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    I was thinking about the Correlation Dept. this morning. It would be way cool if he could lift it slightly off the floor of the abyss it sits on right now.

    I could see him dividing his time between 2 continents. I mean he can fly himself where ever he likes. :).

    #326466
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    This is wonderful news. Truly wonderful news.

    #326467
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    I can see how Uchtdorf is “uniquely qualified” to lead Europe since he is a European.

    I wonder about one thing though. For those who think Uchtdorf was “too progressive,” if Nelson had a concern about that, would he put Uchtdorf in charge of Correlation? I’ve heard rumors that the Brethren were upset about Uchtdorf’s talk admitted that leaders can be wrong sometimes. My question is this: for those who think Nelson doesn’t like to be questioned, why put Uchtdorf in charge of Correlation if he is likely to spread progressivism into the curriculum? If Nelson is trying to lesson Uchtdorf’s influence, is putting him in charge of correlation the answer to that concern or is it overblown?

    #326468
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    If Nelson is trying to lesson Uchtdorf’s influence, is putting him in charge of correlation the answer to that concern or is it overblown?

    I assume correlation isn’t easy to change. Over here we imagine manuals being overhauled, etc. I don’t picture that happening. I think his job will be to just make sure the standard stuff gets printed. He is warm, popular, easy going. They just want him to be down the hall, that’s all. Or in Europe.

    I am happy to be wrong on this. But it would take an earthquake to change correlation.

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    mom3 wrote:


    Quote:

    If Nelson is trying to lesson Uchtdorf’s influence, is putting him in charge of correlation the answer to that concern or is it overblown?

    I assume correlation isn’t easy to change. Over here we imagine manuals being overhauled, etc. I don’t picture that happening. I think his job will be to just make sure the standard stuff gets printed. He is warm, popular, easy going. They just want him to be down the hall, that’s all. Or in Europe.

    I am happy to be wrong on this. But it would take an earthquake to change correlation.

    I wondered this as well. When the prophet gives a talk in general conference, does he have to run it past the correlation department for approval? If so, why?

    Does the tail wag the dog?

    Would an apostle correlate the correlation department or be correlated by the correlation department?

    Time will tell. Besides, how would I know if they changed the tone… after reading the new Sunday School manuals they put out for adults. 😆 😥

    I’m pretty sure the computer that they use to make new Sunday School material for adults wasn’t updated to be Y2K compliant. The computer died 17+ years ago.

    #326470
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    Correlation: When I taught gospel principles about 10 years ago they replaced the manual. There were some slight textual changes but the vast majority of the changes were to the footnotes. Every quote from BY that used to refer to Journal or Discourses or Discourses of Brigham Young where then changed to refer to Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young. The reason that was given for this was to allow the average member to have a complete and correlated gospel library.

    I can’t help but see the added benefit of adding yet another layer of filters on the actual words of BY. BY died in 1877. Discourses of Brigham Young was published in 1925 and had an opportunity to correlate and round off all the hard edges of his speeches and doctrines. Then in 1997 the book Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young is published that is even more selective and seems to be cherry picking BY’s words. An obvious example is to never give a hint to BY’s fervent belief in, practice of, or defense of polygamy. Then a few years later an update to the Gospel Principles manual happens and all the footnotes refer to the newest TOTPOTC:BY – adding yet another layer of correlation on BY and another barrier to trying to understand these Prophets as flawed men living in the context of their historical environment.

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